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Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

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  • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16



    I know it's just sarcasm, but if I'm going to be consistent I ought to snip this too because it's going to invite... well, you know what it will invite




    On a serious note, Paul has to get back to getting good balance on his jumpshots. He's not doing himself any favors trying to take difficult shots where he's leaning one way or the other. Get yourself some open set shots, get your feet underneath you, and hit some damn shots Paul.
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    • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

      Originally posted by croz24 View Post
      Paul was also taking much better jumpers earlier in the season. Lately, he's been forcing contested jumpers, or shots completely outside the flow of the offense. He's not only been putting up bad shots, but he's also been forcing the issue with his attempted creating and passing. Paul still needs to learn what is a good shot and when he should take it. If he ever learns that, those "%s" are very sustainable.
      Yeah, lately he's been taking way too many Kobe-ish forced jumpers. The problem is that he's not as good as Kobe used to be. Hopefully the coaching staff can get him back to taking better shots.

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      • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
        On a serious note, Paul has to get back to getting good balance on his jumpshots. He's not doing himself any favors trying to take difficult shots where he's leaning one way or the other. Get yourself some open set shots, get your feet underneath you, and hit some damn shots Paul.
        I blame the defense, they won't let Paul get set.

        On a serious note: What I just said.
        Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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        • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

          Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
          I looked this up for the hell of it because I was curious.

          Since 1985-86 (and including last night's game), the Pacers are 96-72 when letting their opponent get 20 or more offensive rebounds. That record dropped to 94-70 for games in which the Pacers also grabbed less than 20 offensive boards themselves.

          Huh. Wouldn't have guessed that.
          That makes some sense to me because as I recall the Reggie teams weren't exactly known for tremendous rebounding.

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          • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

            Nah, it's all on Paul. He's trying to force things. You can tell when he drives to the basket. Just a week ago, he'd get space and then pull up for a little jumpshot or he's even tried the floaters (although I don't think he's hit one yet) while Friday night and especially last night, he tries getting all the way to the rim and it's resulting with a flip shot towards the rim trying to evade the shot blocker.

            One or two dribbles with a change of direction is a staple he used to rely on to get, he could get space and get his feet underneath him. Now it looks like he just goes into his jumpshot and tries creating space after he jumps into the air by using his length. When you are struggling with your shot, you've got to get a couple good clean looks and get your body back to the proper form, instead of forcing things.
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            • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

              We looked like the team that had played the night before. Lazy passes, lazy defense and not even trying for rebounds. What happened to the blue collar? All we are is gold swagger now.

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              • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                Let's not forget that this may be the best front line we face all season.
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                • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                  Also Paul had some problems with Josh Smith in the first round of the playoffs last season.

                  Bottom line if Josh Smith wasn't Josh Smith he would be one of the very best players in the NBA. He is as talented as anyone in the NBA. When he is right he is as good as anyone. (reminds me of Derrick Coleman in that way).

                  I want to also say that I was extremely impressed with Kentavious Caldwell-Pope's defense. He was impressive.
                  Last edited by Unclebuck; 12-17-2013, 11:30 AM.

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                  • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                    Smith took 29 shots to get his numbers, Thats not a good night. Thats pretty inefficient, and only speaks to how many extra chances Detroilet got with those 20 offensive rebounds. That was they only key to this game. You limit their ORs and the Pacers probably win without any trouble. Thats why this loss pisses me off so much, the bigs did not show up. THey they knew Detroit is gonna crash the boards, yet they did not box out with any real consistency. Ever player should have been crashing the boards, Detroit is not a good shooting team, alot like us from last season where we were not a great shooting team but we got so many ORs that we made up for it. They killed us at our own game.
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                    • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      Also Paul had some problems with Josh Smith in the first round of the playoffs last season.

                      Bottom line if Josh Smith wasn't Josh Smith he would be one of the very best players in the NBA. He is as talented as anyone in the NBA. When he is right he is as good as anyone. (reminds me of Derrick Coleman in that way).

                      I want to also say that I was extremely impressed with Kentavious Caldwell-Pope's defense. He was impressive.
                      When Paul struggles defensively it is against those tweener forwards like Smith and Lebron...one reason Danny returning will be a pleasant addition as he generally fares a bit better against those guys...
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                      • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                        Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                        Paul was also taking much better jumpers earlier in the season. Lately, he's been forcing contested jumpers, or shots completely outside the flow of the offense. He's not only been putting up bad shots, but he's also been forcing the issue with his attempted creating and passing. Paul still needs to learn what is a good shot and when he should take it. If he ever learns that, those "%s" are very sustainable.
                        I think it is human nature to make certain errors after having success. You forget how you attained the success. The Pacers have forgotten about ball movement and lock down defense. They think, because they are 20-3, they now can take any shot (i.e. Roy and PG) and they will still go in like before. I hope they learned a lesson last night. Contested difficult shots will not go in very often.

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                        • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                          Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                          Smith took 29 shots to get his numbers, Thats not a good night. Thats pretty inefficient, and only speaks to how many extra chances Detroilet got with those 20 offensive rebounds. That was they only key to this game. You limit their ORs and the Pacers probably win without any trouble. Thats why this loss pisses me off so much, the bigs did not show up. THey they knew Detroit is gonna crash the boards, yet they did not box out with any real consistency. Ever player should have been crashing the boards, Detroit is not a good shooting team, alot like us from last season where we were not a great shooting team but we got so many ORs that we made up for it. They killed us at our own game.
                          29 shots maybe a lot of attempts....but as I mentioned this earlier, I checked his Shot Chart. He hit 6 of 12 from beyond 12 feet ( but inside the 3pt line ). He ( or anyone else ) won't be able to hit shot shots on a regular consistent basis in a 7 game series...but in this one game, he basically killed us by hitting the shots that the Team chooses not to defend.
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                          • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                            Originally posted by cinotimz View Post
                            When Paul struggles defensively it is against those tweener forwards like Smith and Lebron...one reason Danny returning will be a pleasant addition as he generally fares a bit better against those guys...
                            I attribute PG24 lack of scoring yesterday night to 3 things:

                            Josh Smith defending him
                            KCP defending him
                            His finger still bothering him enough that it affected his shooting

                            I am hoping that he's able to get his act together against LeDecision....cuz he's going from the frying pan into the oven tomorrow.....but things aren't going to get easy going forward.
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                            • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                              I went back and watched all 20 offensive rebounds. Here were the main culprits:

                              - Not boxing out the guy you are defending. Duh! Main culprits here are the usual suspects, David West and Luis Scola. Hibbert had one, as did Lance.
                              - Not boxing out Hibbert/Mahinmi's man when they help. This is more complicated. As Popovich says, it isn't a defensive stop until you get the rebound.
                              - Monroe shoving Paul George in the back. It was a tough scrum and George didn't flop to his credit. But shoulda been a foul.
                              - Weird shots. An airball went straight into the hands of Caldwell-Pope. An errant 3 point shot hit the backboard (but not the rim), dribbled to the free throw line, and was scooped up by the nearest Piston. Not much you can do there.
                              - Hibbert getting beat by a big man. This happened several times. The box out is there, the effort is there. Hibbert just doesn't have the strength and athleticism to grab it sometimes. A failure of skill, not effort.

                              Lots of stuff. Some fixable, some not. If I had to point a finger of blame, it would be David West. He was the one most consistently standing around on plays where he could have made an impact.
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                              • Re: Pacers / Pistons Post Game thread - 12/16

                                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                                Also Paul had some problems with Josh Smith in the first round of the playoffs last season.

                                Bottom line if Josh Smith wasn't Josh Smith he would be one of the very best players in the NBA. He is as talented as anyone in the NBA. When he is right he is as good as anyone. (reminds me of Derrick Coleman in that way).

                                I want to also say that I was extremely impressed with Kentavious Caldwell-Pope's defense. He was impressive.
                                KCP has been utter crap shooting the ball all season, but his defense has been beyond good.

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