Hearing Birds reminds me why I am a Pacers fan at the first place.
Hearing Birds reminds me why I am a Pacers fan at the first place.
That interview was very interesting. I loved the West signing and wanted him more than Nene. Reading that he was trying hard to come here made me appreciate the signing even more. Learning what happens behind the closed doors is so interesting. I'd love to be an NBA GM.
What I like about this team is that they seem to care about one another and try hard every day whether its a game or practice and still have fun with it.
Learning how all Hibbert's agent had to do was tell the other teams not to draft him so he could come here is really interesting and threw me off because I didn't know agents had that kind of power.
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The written word is a wonder to behold at times. These three sentences can be viewed by several different people and we can have several different interpretations of what they mean.After Donnie left, the first thing I did was trade Jermaine O'Neal. I thought that was huge. Even getting the 17th pick really helped us.
I just find it funny he chose to point this out.
That is definitely the best Bird interview I have ever read. He seemed to know Leonard would be good. Pretty sure Paul would be good. But not so much Roy?...and that he felt he got lucky? I think the entire known basketball world would have to agree.
The quote on Lance being a PG was interesting:
If memory serves the closest guy Bird ever played with who was a "pure" point guard was an aging Nate Archibald. DJ, Gerald Henderson, Dee Brown etc. were all versatile guys who could play off the ball and were comfortable letting the offense funnel through Bird on the wing and through McHale/Parrish in the post.
He isn't going to look at point guards like most basketball coaches or fans. I'm sure he sees Lance as a guy who can thrive much like those guys operating next to elite wing player and playing off a good post game.
Could you imagine if we drafted Ed Davis instead of PG?
I still think Larry wants Jamal Crawford, OJ Mayo, and a few other players. LA won't trade Crawford now, but he's a FA next Summer. Mayo I am pretty sure wants out of Milwaukee. But his contract is yeesh.
Another thing I thought was interesting was his critique of the offense. Seems to me that if he wanted to see a change made, he could walk into practice or call Vogel into the office and fix it. I know he always says he doesn't want to interfere in that way, but I've never heard him openly critique the team or schemes or anything like that.
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Pacer fans owe "Herbie" a huge thanks.
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Worth repeating. Actually the whole thing is. Great interview. Love the candidness of it.What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?
“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.
Was reading this article again. This explains why David Morway was let go in 2012 in favor of Pritchard.Donnie told me one time, 'Bird, I'm glad you're here.' I thought he was just saying that to be nice. He said, 'I'm glad you're here, because I really have nobody to talk basketball with.' I know what he meant. I've been through it. Donnie's been through it. It's been our life. That's the same way I felt when Donnie left. I had nobody. So I called him up one day in New York, I said, 'Donnie, I finally get it. I have no one here that I can talk basketball with.' That's tough. Then when Kevin came on board, he's an old basketball player and he understands the game inside and out, it made it so much easier. It was so easy. Then Peter, he's never really played it, but he's very sharp. Peter's the guy who comes in here (to talk about a trade) and says, 'What about this and this for this?' You're sitting there going, 'Wow! Pretty good.' Then we've got to make it happen. But having Kevin Pritchard here has been a godsend for me. He's been in basketball all his life. He's been the head of a team. He turned a team around. Then you go next door on the other side and you've got Donnie Walsh.
Morway was probably good at what he did, but Bird wanted a basketball mind as his right hand man.
Yes, I know that most of this board was ready to explode in 2010 because of the lack of improvement on the court, but the smartest thing Bird ever did was patiently let the contracts of Dunleavy and Ford expire in 2011. That, combined with the fact that we no longer owed Tinsley any money and were able to amnesty Posey, meant that we had cap space in 2011 to sign West. Also, it gave us some flexibility when we had to re-sign Hibbert and Hill in 2012. Bird was able to get a great deal for Murphy, but obviously no such deal ever came along for Dunleavy and Ford. I'm so glad that he didn't panic and trade them for an average player with a long contract.
When Bird took complete control in 2008, the goal was to draft well for a three year period before getting to 2011 when the franchise would finally be free of the hideous Murphy/Dunleavy contracts that were weighing us down. He hit a few out of the park (Hibbert, PG, Lance), drafted reasonably "OK" players with other picks (Rush, Hansbrough), and flipped a first rounder for a vet who could show the young guys a few things about professionalism (Hill). The icing on the cake was using the new cap space on a strong veteran in D-West who showed the young guys a thing or two about professionalism, toughness, and winning. We obviously got lucky that guys like Hibbert and PG fell to us, but the overall plan was a brilliantly executed patient strategic vision.
Bird could write the book on how a team can rescue itself with patience and draft picks. I like his way far better than that of the Knicks or Nets. Those two franchises treat draft picks as if they are some sort of rare disease. They throw future picks away for the likes of freaking Andrea Bargani. Screw that. Yes, the Pacers traded a first rounder for Scola, but we are 100% certain that will be an end of the round pick. The Knicks OTOH traded a 2016 for Bagani, something that could wind up being pretty high.
Completely nuking your team to create cap space works if you are able to lure Lebron and Bosh to play with Wade, but that's not going to happen much. The Knicks nuked their team over that same time period, but how has it worked out for them? It turned them around at first with Amar'e as he helped them win a lot of games, but he's a fossil at this point. Then they traded for Melo and signed Chandler, which again helped them win games, but how did their strategy work as far as playoff success is concerned?
These are my favorite quotes (all Larry's):
Lance falls on the court and acts like he's been shot. Guys will walk by and tell him to get up. So this is the best environment for Lance.
I was set to come back. Once I told him that, he called back the next day and said, 'I want you in the office next week.' And I'm not going to start paying you until July 1. (laughs)
I said you guys are killing these charities around here. I get a call the other day about a player who was late two times in a month. I said, 'Come on, man, if that's all you're worried about, don't call up here.' It's amazing.