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    Lot of discussion regarding Mahinmi and upgrading w a 3rd Big. I cannot find a list of backup centers and salary specifically but below is a link to Hollingers player efficiency ratings for all nba centers (starting and bench). I don't place a great amount prominence on stats and not the intent of this thread. Because Iain is ranked last for all qualified players. this list is simply to provide us with a list of backup centers we pershaps should consider.

    other than going round and round in circles and no one providing substantial data. please review the list in the link provided below. if someone has a better breakdown w salary included it would be appreciated.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...s/_/position/c


    Centers I would like the Pacers to consider as a third big: these are reasonable suggestions. obviously I would like to see us a add a Vucevic or even a Tyler/Cody Zellar but I don't see how that is reasonable without trading core players.


    DeJuan Blair - prob not likely.
    Dalembert - I think he is paid too much.
    Plumlee - like to get him back
    ZaZa Pachulia - heck yea, but im guess he is paid more than 4M.

    Greg Stiemsma - this one seems very realistic,,, and would be a nice addition. 2.7 M salary,,, I would deal Cope for this guy.

    I remember Stiemsma from his Boston days and he seems to be a darn good defensive player. I don't want to see this guy on the Heat.


    if anyone else has a list please feel welcome to post. I cant find anything with salaries included.

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    Mahimni has struggled, but he is still a good backup Center. All we need from him is defense and rebounding.

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    Mahimni has struggled, but he is still a good backup Center. All we need from him is defense and rebounding.
    Just to be clear. I am advocating Stiesma as a third big. Not a replacement for Mahinmi.

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    Waiting for the Fesenko post in 10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.....

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    Let's go get The Fez!

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    That list convinced me. Ian is our man. All we need is a decent 12 minutes out of him every night. Hopefully Danny can come back at some point and give us 20-25 minutes per game, that will take some of Scola power forward minutes away from him, so I expect to see a little more of Scola and West together.

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    Depth charts:

    http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

    good excerpt on Plumlee.

    Miles Plumlee had just six points, six rebounds and zero blocks on 3-of-4 shooting in 19 minutes of Tuesday's win over the Lakers.

    Plumlee has now scored 6, 9, 4, 11 and 9 points in each of his last five games, and hasn't had double digits in rebounds in any of them. His minutes have tailed off recently as well, as he's seen between just 19 and 21 of them in his previous three games. He is still averaging 7.4 rebounds and 1.8 blocks over his last five, so if you're thinking about dropping him for a hot free agent, make sure your team can survive without his blocks and boards.



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    He suffered the injury on Tuesday night and did not return. Stiemsma has a Grade-2 sprain, so his prognosis is on par with similar injuries. Jason Smith will pick up some extra minutes along with newly-signed Lou Amundson. Nov 15 - 7:34 PM

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    Here are the salaries of the x highest paid centers in the league this year, FYI:

    Amare Stoudemire$21,679,893
    Pau Gasol$19,285,850
    Chris Bosh$19,067,500
    Marc Gasol$14,860,523
    Brook Lopez$14,693,906
    Emeka Okafor$14,487,500
    Roy Hibbert$14,283,844
    LaMarcus Aldridge$14,128,000
    Tyson Chandler$14,100,537
    Andrew Bogut$14,000,000
    Nene$13,000,000
    Kevin Garnett$12,433,735
    Al Horford$12,000,000
    Joakim Noah$11,100,000
    DeAndre Jordan$10,986,550
    JaVale McGee$10,750,000
    Tim Duncan$10,361,446
    Andris Biedrins$9,000,000
    Kendrick Perkins$8,977,437
    Omer Asik$8,374,646
    Marcin Gortat$7,727,280
    Spencer Hawes$6,600,000
    Channing Frye$6,400,000
    Jason Thompson$5,643,750
    DeMarcus Cousins$4,916,974
    Marreese Speights$4,515,000
    Marcus Camby$4,383,773
    Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
    Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
    Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
    Kwame Brown$2,945,901
    Aaron Gray$2,690,875
    Nick Collison$2,585,668
    Andre Drummond$2,462,400
    Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
    Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
    Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
    Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
    Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
    Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
    Fab Melo$1,311,240
    Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
    Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
    Festus Ezeli$1,066,920

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    Don't forget about Nick Collison's insane contract:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...ract-extension

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    I think anyone saying 4M is our cap for a replacement big, is a little off.

    We could package Copeland, OJ, or Solomon Hill. Realistically, we could trade for a guy making as much as 7.9M a year, which most backups bigs are no where near that. May have to toss in a draft pick with them for a good player, but we're in win-now mode so, I have no problem with that.

    Guys I like are:

    - Omar Asik(his salary inflates a lot to from 5M-15M next season, so we'd have to be smart with this one)
    - Samuel Dalembert(he's Mahimi with a great defensive IQ and rebounding. Has an underrated jumper like Mahimi, too)
    - Jordan Hill(big bench piece for the Lakers, more offensive then defensive but, still gets 1.0BPG in 21MPG)
    - Anderson Varejao(high energy, great defensive/rebounding Center that every team would like on their squad)
    - Bismarck Biyombo(similar to Mahimi, but better instincts and athleticism)
    - JO(good jumper, doesn't need to get a lot of touches, good defensive player, knows where to be)
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    And from those guys that are comparable (or lower) in salary than Ian, you folks want .............. ????

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    And from those guys that are comparable (or lower) in salary than Ian, you folks want .............. ????
    Specifically pointed out options, in terms of salary/trade options.
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    I think anyone saying 4M is our cap for a replacement big, is a little off.

    We could package Copeland, OJ, or Solomon Hill. Realistically, we could trade for a guy making as much as 7.9M a year, which most backups bigs are no where near that. May have to toss in a draft pick with them for a good player, but we're in win-now mode so, I have no problem with that.

    Guys I like are:

    - Omar Asik(his salary inflates a lot to from 5M-15M next season, so we'd have to be smart with this one)
    - Samuel Dalembert(he's Mahimi with a great defensive IQ and rebounding. Has an underrated jumper like Mahimi, too)
    - Jordan Hill(big bench piece for the Lakers, more offensive then defensive but, still gets 1.0BPG in 21MPG)
    - Anderson Varejao(high energy, great defensive/rebounding Center that every team would like on their squad)
    - Bismarck Biyombo(similar to Mahimi, but better instincts and athleticism)
    - JO(good jumper, doesn't need to get a lot of touches, good defensive player, knows where to be)

    Solid list.

    Asik - I don't want his candya** attitude. Let Miami have him if they can acquire.

    Dalembert - attitude issues early in career but I like him at a reasonable salary.

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    And from those guys that are comparable (or lower) in salary than Ian, you folks want .............. ????
    Marreese Speights$4,515,000
    Marcus Camby$4,383,773
    Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
    Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
    Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
    Kwame Brown$2,945,901
    Aaron Gray$2,690,875
    Nick Collison$2,585,668
    Andre Drummond$2,462,400
    Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
    Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
    Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
    Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
    Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
    Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
    Fab Melo$1,311,240
    Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
    Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
    Festus Ezeli$1,066,920



    Aaron Gray would be a nice upgrade from what I can remember. Plumlee is who I want back.

    I think most of the guy on the list I would want (Koufous, Drummond, Sullinger,... ) we cannot acquire. Sound like Heat fans offering JoelAnthony and Chalmers for Asik or Bosh for "boogy"


    realistically we prob cannot even acquire Plumllee.

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    Specifically pointed out options, in terms of salary/trade options.
    No offense, but most of those guys are not even remotely close to being realistic options.

    Asik: We don't have the assets Houston wants, he wants to start, and his contract balloons to a level we couldn't possibly pay next season.
    Dalembert: Not bad, still a little pricey--not sure who/what to deal to make that trade work though.
    Hill: The Lakers are thin up front and he's been dinged up a little bit. Not a horrible option, but I don't think it's particularly likely to happen.
    Varejao: He has way too much value around the league and costs way too much for a backup center with the financial constraints on our team. Great fit, but not realistic.
    Biyombo: He is interesting. He might be falling out of favor in Charlotte, but how much of an upgrade over Mahinmi is he really?
    JO: He's in a good place in Golden State. They need a few bigs like him in case the frail Andrew Bogut goes down.

    My main point: Working out a deal for an obvious upgrade over Mahinmi is challenging without giving up a core player or taking back long term salary. Also, one presumes that Mahinmi himself would not be all that attractive to the other teams if we are looking to upgrade him. I think we can complain about him all we want, but I don't really find it realistic to think that we will make a midseason move to bolster the position, unless it is part of a larger Danny Granger deal (another trade I doubt goes down).

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    This list is moot, as many of those are current 1st round picks.
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    Here are the salaries of the x highest paid centers in the league this year, FYI:

    Amare Stoudemire$21,679,893
    Pau Gasol$19,285,850
    Chris Bosh$19,067,500
    Marc Gasol$14,860,523
    Brook Lopez$14,693,906
    Emeka Okafor$14,487,500
    Roy Hibbert$14,283,844
    LaMarcus Aldridge$14,128,000
    Tyson Chandler$14,100,537
    Andrew Bogut$14,000,000
    Nene$13,000,000
    Kevin Garnett$12,433,735
    Al Horford$12,000,000
    Joakim Noah$11,100,000
    DeAndre Jordan$10,986,550
    JaVale McGee$10,750,000
    Tim Duncan$10,361,446
    Andris Biedrins$9,000,000
    Kendrick Perkins$8,977,437
    Omer Asik$8,374,646
    Marcin Gortat$7,727,280
    Spencer Hawes$6,600,000
    Channing Frye$6,400,000
    Jason Thompson$5,643,750
    DeMarcus Cousins$4,916,974
    Marreese Speights$4,515,000
    Marcus Camby$4,383,773
    Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
    Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
    Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
    Kwame Brown$2,945,901
    Aaron Gray$2,690,875
    Nick Collison$2,585,668
    Andre Drummond$2,462,400
    Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
    Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
    Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
    Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
    Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
    Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
    Fab Melo$1,311,240
    Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
    Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
    Festus Ezeli$1,066,920

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    What would the list look like if we remove rookie contracts?

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    Hill is the only one there that could work, but trading Mahinmi straight up would probably not fly with the Lakers, and if we have to throw in someone like Cope then it will be very tough to get salaries to match.

    If Hill is being brought in as a 4th/5th big man alongside Mahinmi I do not think they would go for just Cope straight up and only have Gasol, Sacre, and Kaman as big men.

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    I think anyone saying 4M is our cap for a replacement big, is a little off.

    We could package Copeland, OJ, or Solomon Hill. Realistically, we could trade for a guy making as much as 7.9M a year, which most backups bigs are no where near that. May have to toss in a draft pick with them for a good player, but we're in win-now mode so, I have no problem with that.
    Not really, because the NBA has a minimum roster size. That 7.9M going to one player doesn't do much good when the team still has to go out and sign someone else. They're already going to be treading too close to the LT next season to re-sign Lance, let alone make them have to fit even more players in to that already pretty small salary hole.
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    What would the list look like if we remove rookie contracts?
    I was too lazy to do that, and forgot to mention it. Thanks.

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    Here are the salaries of the x highest paid centers in the league this year, FYI:

    Amare Stoudemire$21,679,893
    Pau Gasol$19,285,850
    Chris Bosh$19,067,500
    Marc Gasol$14,860,523
    Brook Lopez$14,693,906
    Emeka Okafor$14,487,500
    Roy Hibbert$14,283,844
    LaMarcus Aldridge$14,128,000
    Tyson Chandler$14,100,537
    Andrew Bogut$14,000,000
    Nene$13,000,000
    Kevin Garnett$12,433,735
    Al Horford$12,000,000
    Joakim Noah$11,100,000
    DeAndre Jordan$10,986,550
    JaVale McGee$10,750,000
    Tim Duncan$10,361,446
    Andris Biedrins$9,000,000
    Kendrick Perkins$8,977,437
    Omer Asik$8,374,646
    Marcin Gortat$7,727,280
    Spencer Hawes$6,600,000
    Channing Frye$6,400,000
    Jason Thompson$5,643,750
    DeMarcus Cousins$4,916,974
    Marreese Speights$4,515,000
    Marcus Camby$4,383,773
    Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
    Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
    Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
    Kwame Brown$2,945,901
    Aaron Gray$2,690,875
    Nick Collison$2,585,668
    Andre Drummond$2,462,400
    Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
    Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
    Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
    Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
    Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
    Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
    Fab Melo$1,311,240
    Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
    Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
    Festus Ezeli$1,066,920

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    Mahinmi is not overpaid in my evaluation of the list. Exclude rookie deals like Hicks stated.

    There is not much out there, Mahnimi may have stone cold hands but most of the guys below him have many more weaknesses. Haywood, does he stay healthy. Mahnimi is not overpaid,, prefer him over Camby by a significant margin.


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    Okay, I really don't think we will trade Solo away for what can really only be a minor upgrade at center. This isn't Hansbrough/Copeland to Scola. It's Mahinmi for Jordan Hill or Samuel Dalembert. That would be a waste of a first round pick. It was fine to trade Plumlee and our 2014 first rounder because Scola is so much better than our other options. We won't find a Scola out there again IMO.

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    No offense, but most of those guys are not even remotely close to being realistic options.

    Asik: We don't have the assets Houston wants, he wants to start, and his contract balloons to a level we couldn't possibly pay next season.
    Dalembert: Not bad, still a little pricey--not sure who/what to deal to make that trade work though.
    Hill: The Lakers are thin up front and he's been dinged up a little bit. Not a horrible option, but I don't think it's particularly likely to happen.
    Varejao: He has way too much value around the league and costs way too much for a backup center with the financial constraints on our team. Great fit, but not realistic.
    Biyombo: He is interesting. He might be falling out of favor in Charlotte, but how much of an upgrade over Mahinmi is he really?
    JO: He's in a good place in Golden State. They need a few bigs like him in case the frail Andrew Bogut goes down.

    My main point: Working out a deal for an obvious upgrade over Mahinmi is challenging without giving up a core player or taking back long term salary. Also, one presumes that Mahinmi himself would not be all that attractive to the other teams if we are looking to upgrade him. I think we can complain about him all we want, but I don't really find it realistic to think that we will make a midseason move to bolster the position, unless it is part of a larger Danny Granger deal (another trade I doubt goes down).
    If all anyone wants around here is a rebounder/rim protector then Biyombo is a big upgrade.

    PER 36 of 12.4 RPG, almost 2 BPG with only 1 TOPG. Also, only 2.7 Fouls Per Game. Mahimi's is 6.7 Fouls Per Game. He's much more reliable.
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    Reggie Evans is in the top of my list not only because he is a rebounding and defensive beast but also because he only makes 1.6mil a year, he is super cheap for his production.




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    Would Charlotte give up on Biyombo after only 2.5 years? He was viewed as a project player when they drafted him?
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