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    Lot of discussion regarding Mahinmi and upgrading w a 3rd Big. I cannot find a list of backup centers and salary specifically but below is a link to Hollingers player efficiency ratings for all nba centers (starting and bench). I don't place a great amount prominence on stats and not the intent of this thread. Because Iain is ranked last for all qualified players. this list is simply to provide us with a list of backup centers we pershaps should consider.

    other than going round and round in circles and no one providing substantial data. please review the list in the link provided below. if someone has a better breakdown w salary included it would be appreciated.

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...s/_/position/c


    Centers I would like the Pacers to consider as a third big: these are reasonable suggestions. obviously I would like to see us a add a Vucevic or even a Tyler/Cody Zellar but I don't see how that is reasonable without trading core players.


    DeJuan Blair - prob not likely.
    Dalembert - I think he is paid too much.
    Plumlee - like to get him back
    ZaZa Pachulia - heck yea, but im guess he is paid more than 4M.

    Greg Stiemsma - this one seems very realistic,,, and would be a nice addition. 2.7 M salary,,, I would deal Cope for this guy.

    I remember Stiemsma from his Boston days and he seems to be a darn good defensive player. I don't want to see this guy on the Heat.


    if anyone else has a list please feel welcome to post. I cant find anything with salaries included.

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    Mahimni has struggled, but he is still a good backup Center. All we need from him is defense and rebounding.

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    Mahimni has struggled, but he is still a good backup Center. All we need from him is defense and rebounding.
    Just to be clear. I am advocating Stiesma as a third big. Not a replacement for Mahinmi.

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    Waiting for the Fesenko post in 10.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.....

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    Let's go get The Fez!

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    That list convinced me. Ian is our man. All we need is a decent 12 minutes out of him every night. Hopefully Danny can come back at some point and give us 20-25 minutes per game, that will take some of Scola power forward minutes away from him, so I expect to see a little more of Scola and West together.

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    Don't forget about Nick Collison's insane contract:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...ract-extension

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    Depth charts:

    http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/depth-charts/nba.aspx

    good excerpt on Plumlee.

    Miles Plumlee had just six points, six rebounds and zero blocks on 3-of-4 shooting in 19 minutes of Tuesday's win over the Lakers.

    Plumlee has now scored 6, 9, 4, 11 and 9 points in each of his last five games, and hasn't had double digits in rebounds in any of them. His minutes have tailed off recently as well, as he's seen between just 19 and 21 of them in his previous three games. He is still averaging 7.4 rebounds and 1.8 blocks over his last five, so if you're thinking about dropping him for a hot free agent, make sure your team can survive without his blocks and boards.



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    Here are the salaries of the x highest paid centers in the league this year, FYI:

    Amare Stoudemire$21,679,893
    Pau Gasol$19,285,850
    Chris Bosh$19,067,500
    Marc Gasol$14,860,523
    Brook Lopez$14,693,906
    Emeka Okafor$14,487,500
    Roy Hibbert$14,283,844
    LaMarcus Aldridge$14,128,000
    Tyson Chandler$14,100,537
    Andrew Bogut$14,000,000
    Nene$13,000,000
    Kevin Garnett$12,433,735
    Al Horford$12,000,000
    Joakim Noah$11,100,000
    DeAndre Jordan$10,986,550
    JaVale McGee$10,750,000
    Tim Duncan$10,361,446
    Andris Biedrins$9,000,000
    Kendrick Perkins$8,977,437
    Omer Asik$8,374,646
    Marcin Gortat$7,727,280
    Spencer Hawes$6,600,000
    Channing Frye$6,400,000
    Jason Thompson$5,643,750
    DeMarcus Cousins$4,916,974
    Marreese Speights$4,515,000
    Marcus Camby$4,383,773
    Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
    Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
    Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
    Kwame Brown$2,945,901
    Aaron Gray$2,690,875
    Nick Collison$2,585,668
    Andre Drummond$2,462,400
    Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
    Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
    Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
    Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
    Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
    Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
    Fab Melo$1,311,240
    Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
    Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
    Festus Ezeli$1,066,920

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    Here are the salaries of the x highest paid centers in the league this year, FYI:

    Amare Stoudemire$21,679,893
    Pau Gasol$19,285,850
    Chris Bosh$19,067,500
    Marc Gasol$14,860,523
    Brook Lopez$14,693,906
    Emeka Okafor$14,487,500
    Roy Hibbert$14,283,844
    LaMarcus Aldridge$14,128,000
    Tyson Chandler$14,100,537
    Andrew Bogut$14,000,000
    Nene$13,000,000
    Kevin Garnett$12,433,735
    Al Horford$12,000,000
    Joakim Noah$11,100,000
    DeAndre Jordan$10,986,550
    JaVale McGee$10,750,000
    Tim Duncan$10,361,446
    Andris Biedrins$9,000,000
    Kendrick Perkins$8,977,437
    Omer Asik$8,374,646
    Marcin Gortat$7,727,280
    Spencer Hawes$6,600,000
    Channing Frye$6,400,000
    Jason Thompson$5,643,750
    DeMarcus Cousins$4,916,974
    Marreese Speights$4,515,000
    Marcus Camby$4,383,773
    Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
    Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
    Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
    Kwame Brown$2,945,901
    Aaron Gray$2,690,875
    Nick Collison$2,585,668
    Andre Drummond$2,462,400
    Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
    Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
    Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
    Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
    Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
    Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
    Fab Melo$1,311,240
    Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
    Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
    Festus Ezeli$1,066,920

    From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2nCGtx8rz
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    What would the list look like if we remove rookie contracts?

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    What would the list look like if we remove rookie contracts?
    I was too lazy to do that, and forgot to mention it. Thanks.

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    Here are the salaries of the x highest paid centers in the league this year, FYI:

    Amare Stoudemire$21,679,893
    Pau Gasol$19,285,850
    Chris Bosh$19,067,500
    Marc Gasol$14,860,523
    Brook Lopez$14,693,906
    Emeka Okafor$14,487,500
    Roy Hibbert$14,283,844
    LaMarcus Aldridge$14,128,000
    Tyson Chandler$14,100,537
    Andrew Bogut$14,000,000
    Nene$13,000,000
    Kevin Garnett$12,433,735
    Al Horford$12,000,000
    Joakim Noah$11,100,000
    DeAndre Jordan$10,986,550
    JaVale McGee$10,750,000
    Tim Duncan$10,361,446
    Andris Biedrins$9,000,000
    Kendrick Perkins$8,977,437
    Omer Asik$8,374,646
    Marcin Gortat$7,727,280
    Spencer Hawes$6,600,000
    Channing Frye$6,400,000
    Jason Thompson$5,643,750
    DeMarcus Cousins$4,916,974
    Marreese Speights$4,515,000
    Marcus Camby$4,383,773
    Ian Mahinmi$4,000,000
    Jonas Valanciunas$3,526,440
    Kosta Koufos$3,000,000
    Kwame Brown$2,945,901
    Aaron Gray$2,690,875
    Nick Collison$2,585,668
    Andre Drummond$2,462,400
    Meyers Leonard$2,222,160
    Brendan Haywood$2,050,000
    Tyler Zeller$1,633,440
    Andrew Nicholson$1,482,000
    Donatas Motiejunas$1,422,720
    Jared Sullinger$1,365,720
    Fab Melo$1,311,240
    Miles Plumlee$1,121,520
    Arnett Moultrie$1,089,240
    Festus Ezeli$1,066,920

    From DraftExpress.comhttp://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2nCGtx8rz
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    Mahinmi is not overpaid in my evaluation of the list. Exclude rookie deals like Hicks stated.

    There is not much out there, Mahnimi may have stone cold hands but most of the guys below him have many more weaknesses. Haywood, does he stay healthy. Mahnimi is not overpaid,, prefer him over Camby by a significant margin.


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    Reggie Evans is in the top of my list not only because he is a rebounding and defensive beast but also because he only makes 1.6mil a year, he is super cheap for his production.




    Watson,X player, DG, Scola, Reggie Evans? he is like the CJ Watson of PF/Centers

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    Reggie Evans is in the top of my list not only because he is a rebounding and defensive beast but also because he only makes 1.6mil a year, he is super cheap for his production.




    Watson,X player, DG, Scola, Reggie Evans? he is like the CJ Watson of PF/Centers
    Reggie Evans is 6'8''.

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    Reggie Evans is in the top of my list not only because he is a rebounding and defensive beast but also because he only makes 1.6mil a year, he is super cheap for his production.




    Watson,X player, DG, Scola, Reggie Evans? he is like the CJ Watson of PF/Centers
    Reggie Evans isn't a C though. With our defensive system, our C needs size. Reggie Evans is a beast for sure, but he takes away any type of size advantage we have if he's playing C.

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    Reggie Evans isn't a C though. With our defensive system, our C needs size. Reggie Evans is a beast for sure, but he takes away any type of size advantage we have if he's playing C.
    Like I said before just because a guy is 7 feet tall that doesn't mean he is a center(see Bargnani,Dirk, etc), I don't know what this "defensive system" you guys are talking about is coming from either, I mean you think Frank is saying "screw this defensive system" when he plays West/Scola together? I have seen Scola or West replace Ian just fine and in fact that has been better than playing the 7 feet tall guy.

    Give me Reggie Evans over Ian any day, he is the better defender and rebounder and Evans protects the rim doing different things he doesn't have to jump 10 feet high in the air to protect the rim(like Dandre Jordan).

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    Reggie Evans is in the top of my list not only because he is a rebounding and defensive beast but also because he only makes 1.6mil a year, he is super cheap for his production.




    Watson,X player, DG, Scola, Reggie Evans? he is like the CJ Watson of PF/Centers
    Reggie Evans?? You can't be serious. I don't know how you can call Ian trash, but love Evans. They are both specialist one rebounding and one defensive. Evans isnt even playing that good this year his defense is really fallen, and you want him to be our backup C?? He would be a terrible fit as a b/u C especially in our system.


    Also saying Bismack has better instincts than Ian is not true IMO. Bismack is just like Ian awkward, I do like how he is playing this year he is a solid b/u now IMO.
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    I think anyone saying 4M is our cap for a replacement big, is a little off.

    We could package Copeland, OJ, or Solomon Hill. Realistically, we could trade for a guy making as much as 7.9M a year, which most backups bigs are no where near that. May have to toss in a draft pick with them for a good player, but we're in win-now mode so, I have no problem with that.

    Guys I like are:

    - Omar Asik(his salary inflates a lot to from 5M-15M next season, so we'd have to be smart with this one)
    - Samuel Dalembert(he's Mahimi with a great defensive IQ and rebounding. Has an underrated jumper like Mahimi, too)
    - Jordan Hill(big bench piece for the Lakers, more offensive then defensive but, still gets 1.0BPG in 21MPG)
    - Anderson Varejao(high energy, great defensive/rebounding Center that every team would like on their squad)
    - Bismarck Biyombo(similar to Mahimi, but better instincts and athleticism)
    - JO(good jumper, doesn't need to get a lot of touches, good defensive player, knows where to be)
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    I think anyone saying 4M is our cap for a replacement big, is a little off.

    We could package Copeland, OJ, or Solomon Hill. Realistically, we could trade for a guy making as much as 7.9M a year, which most backups bigs are no where near that. May have to toss in a draft pick with them for a good player, but we're in win-now mode so, I have no problem with that.

    Guys I like are:

    - Omar Asik(his salary inflates a lot to from 5M-15M next season, so we'd have to be smart with this one)
    - Samuel Dalembert(he's Mahimi with a great defensive IQ and rebounding. Has an underrated jumper like Mahimi, too)
    - Jordan Hill(big bench piece for the Lakers, more offensive then defensive but, still gets 1.0BPG in 21MPG)
    - Anderson Varejao(high energy, great defensive/rebounding Center that every team would like on their squad)
    - Bismarck Biyombo(similar to Mahimi, but better instincts and athleticism)
    - JO(good jumper, doesn't need to get a lot of touches, good defensive player, knows where to be)

    Solid list.

    Asik - I don't want his candya** attitude. Let Miami have him if they can acquire.

    Dalembert - attitude issues early in career but I like him at a reasonable salary.

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    Asik - I don't want his candya** attitude. Let Miami have him if they can acquire.
    Asik wouldn't fit with us as he only wants to be on a team that he can start on.

    That being said, I would HATE to see Miami get him, that would be a horrible scenario for the Pacers. Luckily, they do not have the pieces to pull off a trade in my opinion.

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    Asik wouldn't fit with us as he only wants to be on a team that he can start on.

    That being said, I would HATE to see Miami get him, that would be a horrible scenario for the Pacers. Luckily, they do not have the pieces to pull off a trade in my opinion.
    If they trade Bosh they might.

    I don't want Reggie Evans,, early in his career I remember something to do w character issues. I like what he brings on the court for cheap. But no way do we bring in guys with character issues unless its Tony Allen type player for the right price.

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    I think anyone saying 4M is our cap for a replacement big, is a little off.

    We could package Copeland, OJ, or Solomon Hill. Realistically, we could trade for a guy making as much as 7.9M a year, which most backups bigs are no where near that. May have to toss in a draft pick with them for a good player, but we're in win-now mode so, I have no problem with that.
    Not really, because the NBA has a minimum roster size. That 7.9M going to one player doesn't do much good when the team still has to go out and sign someone else. They're already going to be treading too close to the LT next season to re-sign Lance, let alone make them have to fit even more players in to that already pretty small salary hole.
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    - Bismarck Biyombo(similar to Mahimi, but better instincts and athleticism)
    Bismack is only 6'9, though. He is averaging 0.9 blocks in 19.7 minutes this year.

    Ian is almost 7 feet and averages 0.9 blocks in 15 minutes.

    About Stiemsma now. He is a nice defensive piece but he fouls a lot. He would be nice as a 3rd big, of course.
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    Bismack is only 6'9, though. He is averaging 0.9 blocks in 19.7 minutes this year.

    Ian is almost 7 feet and averages 0.9 blocks in 15 minutes.

    About Stiemsma now. He is a nice defensive piece but he fouls a lot. He would be nice as a 3rd big, of course.
    Mahinmi fouls a lot as well
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    Mahinmi fouls a lot as well
    I know. But Ian is more athletic than Stiemsma.
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