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  • #16
    Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

    I have to disagree with some of the grades. West was good, but doesn't deserve an A. Way too many turnovers. Hill was a D, that was just a bad game from him. I think both Orlando and Mahinmi deserve C's. Orlando can't hit a shot from outside of 5 feet anymore, but he was playing very solid defense on Wade. Mahinmi was a little Jekyll and Hyde last night. He started well, but didn't end well. Overall it averaged out to a C for me.

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    • #17
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      Great thoughts on the game. I was thinking the same thing about Lebron last night, he is intimidated by Hibbert. Lebron is bigger and stronger then most NBA players so he can appear to be a physical player against most but the disadvantage he has against Hibbert in the paint shakes him.
      F on Ian again, yes I agree. I wonder how a 36 year old Foster has recovered from his surgery. I'd love to have him as a 3rd. center to give us another option.
      Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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      • #18
        Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

        Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
        The Heat radio people were up in arms this morning about how they think that should have been a flagrant foul.
        It was close. Really close. I wouldn't have complained too much if they had called it. The intent was successful.

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        • #19
          Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

          Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
          The Heat radio people were up in arms this morning about how they think that should have been a flagrant foul.
          I thought it should have been too. I would not be surprised if the NBA upgrades it.

          Different topic: I don't remember the pacers ever running so many side pick and rolls. And it was pretty effective getting the ball into Roy. Seemed to work a lot better than our typical top of the key pick and rolls.

          it is amazing to have such a smart team, smart coaches and players who can adjust to what is going on within a game. That aspect reminds me of the late 90's team
          Last edited by Unclebuck; 12-11-2013, 10:25 AM.

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          • #20
            Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

            They can complain about that, and maybe they have a point, but they got some extra benefits when Lance stole the pass that bounced off a ref that lead to Turdman's block. If that were clean he'd have a layup and the game would've been out of reach moreso.
            "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

            ----------------- Reggie Miller

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            • #21
              Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

              It boggles my mind how any one can think Ian does not deserve a F. He flat out stinks.

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              • #22
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                Ian Mahinmi: F- What went wrong here? He used to at least be able to help defend the paint but that now more often than not results in a foul. He has been a problem now for a few weeks and it scares the crap out of me whenever Roy goes to the bench. God I wish we would have kept a competent 3rd big man on the roster, we could have even kept Butler as well since you can have 15 players. I used to really like Ian but lately I’ve been scouring the D league roster trying to come up with someone/ anyone who can do some emergency min.
                100% agree with this, I hope we are looking for another backup center right about now.
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                  Originally posted by Magic P View Post
                  It boggles my mind how any one can think Ian does not deserve a F. He flat out stinks.
                  Cause I choose not to focus only on his bad plays, I notice his good plays also.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    100% agree with this, I hope we are looking for another backup center right about now.

                    It's pretty crazy that the Walsh/Pritchard combo had cap space and tons of flexibility, yet they couldn't even bring in one single player who could give us multiple years of very solid production. It's pretty bad when Mahinmi is the "best" of their additions (i.e. the only one who wasn't dumped after one year). Then Bird immediately comes back and adds Scola and Watson, despite not having much flexibility at all. I don't like the Cope signing, but I'm not going to cry about it too much since Scola and Watson made the off-season a huge win.

                    I know that Bird had his personal reasons for leaving for that year and that's his business, but losing him for that one super important off-season was very unfortunate.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                      Any chance someone can upload a clip of lebron being "hit" in the eye? Can't find anything online and didn't record it. I would be more than willing to tweet it to a bunch of NBA people

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                      • #26
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        The Heat have the best defense in the NBA outside the lane. Yes better than the Pacers.

                        They trap and trap hard on all pick and rolls and they get tons of deflections when they do this. It took the Pacers until the second half to adjust to the Heat's trapping, pressure, quickness and speed on defense. But their approach gives the Pacers a lot of trouble. They also front the post pretty much all the time and that takes an adjustment as few teams play that style anymore.

                        When we hold the ball like we did in the first half they get right into the player with the ball making it hard to move. In many ways the style the Heat play is more the style of defense played in the 90's and pre 2004. When they close out on the ball they get right into the offensive player, more than any team. And that gives us problems as it stops George Hill from starting our offense

                        But if the Pacers can get the ball into the lane either off the dribble or in the post then we are good. I would love to know our score rate when we get the ball into the paint on the Heat vs when we don't. It has to be something like 80% vs 30%. (I realize that difference probably exists against all teams, but not nearly that big of a difference.

                        People who know me know I am a defense first, second and third kind of guy. But I have said for the past 3 seasons or so that offense is the key to beaing the Heat. Get the ball inside and we are in great shape - but getting the ball inside on them is difficult, very difficult, especially for us. But our ability to do so IMO determines whether we beat them or not.
                        I echo all of this, and I'll add that I think the defensive intensity Miami was displaying caught up with them because they looked more tired than the Pacers by the end. It comes at that price, and I think as long as we keep fighting back we can hang around as they get tired (or expand a lead if we're shooting well from outside).

                        Additionally, the other weakness of trapping and double teams is that once the offense has a feel for it they will relax and make the right pass more often, which weakens it's effectiveness as well. We saw that in the second half, and I think in a playoff series they will have to keep tweaking their defense or else we will get too comfortable with it. That's one of the chess matches to come.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                          The Heat have the best defense in the NBA outside the lane. Yes better than the Pacers.

                          They trap and trap hard on all pick and rolls and they get tons of deflections when they do this. It took the Pacers until the second half to adjust to the Heat's trapping, pressure, quickness and speed on defense. But their approach gives the Pacers a lot of trouble. They also front the post pretty much all the time and that takes an adjustment as few teams play that style anymore.

                          When we hold the ball like we did in the first half they get right into the player with the ball making it hard to move. In many ways the style the Heat play is more the style of defense played in the 90's and pre 2004. When they close out on the ball they get right into the offensive player, more than any team. And that gives us problems as it stops George Hill from starting our offense

                          But if the Pacers can get the ball into the lane either off the dribble or in the post then we are good. I would love to know our score rate when we get the ball into the paint on the Heat vs when we don't. It has to be something like 80% vs 30%. (I realize that difference probably exists against all teams, but not nearly that big of a difference.

                          People who know me know I am a defense first, second and third kind of guy. But I have said for the past 3 seasons or so that offense is the key to beaing the Heat. Get the ball inside and we are in great shape - but getting the ball inside on them is difficult, very difficult, especially for us. But our ability to do so IMO determines whether we beat them or not.

                          I think it took too long for us to adjust. Paul kept curling and they kept trapping. The skip pass would have worked for a West jumper on a couple of possessions. Bosh can't play the gap on the baseline with Roy.

                          I want to see the loop ran. We did it in the preseason but I think it has gone away. Putting Paul through multiple screens stops the trap and opens up the floor. The Spurs do this great. Even if Green or Parker are open the wait until the defense begins to respond. Leaving more cracks than a preschooler with a porcelain doll.

                          I want Lance to get ahold of that shooting coach. He needs to revisit what he has learned. It is fine to work on it in the off season, but working on it when routines are busted can help.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                            Originally posted by Major Cold View Post
                            I want Lance to get ahold of that shooting coach. He needs to revisit what he has learned. It is fine to work on it in the off season, but working on it when routines are busted can help.
                            Can he invite Orlando to join them?

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                            • #29
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                              Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                              It's pretty crazy that the Walsh/Pritchard combo had cap space and tons of flexibility, yet they couldn't even bring in one single player who could give us multiple years of very solid production. It's pretty bad when Mahinmi is the "best" of their additions (i.e. the only one who wasn't dumped after one year). Then Bird immediately comes back and adds Scola and Watson, despite not having much flexibility at all. I don't like the Cope signing, but I'm not going to cry about it too much since Scola and Watson made the off-season a huge win.

                              I know that Bird had his personal reasons for leaving for that year and that's his business, but losing him for that one super important off-season was very unfortunate.
                              How many times have you posted this exact same thing? It's a broken record at this point.
                              There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: disrespecting the champs....

                                Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                                The Heat radio people were up in arms this morning about how they think that should have been a flagrant foul.
                                Got a video of it? I'd love to see a replay.
                                This space for rent.

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