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    The Heat have the best defense in the NBA outside the lane. Yes better than the Pacers.

    They trap and trap hard on all pick and rolls and they get tons of deflections when they do this. It took the Pacers until the second half to adjust to the Heat's trapping, pressure, quickness and speed on defense. But their approach gives the Pacers a lot of trouble. They also front the post pretty much all the time and that takes an adjustment as few teams play that style anymore.

    When we hold the ball like we did in the first half they get right into the player with the ball making it hard to move. In many ways the style the Heat play is more the style of defense played in the 90's and pre 2004. When they close out on the ball they get right into the offensive player, more than any team. And that gives us problems as it stops George Hill from starting our offense

    But if the Pacers can get the ball into the lane either off the dribble or in the post then we are good. I would love to know our score rate when we get the ball into the paint on the Heat vs when we don't. It has to be something like 80% vs 30%. (I realize that difference probably exists against all teams, but not nearly that big of a difference.

    People who know me know I am a defense first, second and third kind of guy. But I have said for the past 3 seasons or so that offense is the key to beaing the Heat. Get the ball inside and we are in great shape - but getting the ball inside on them is difficult, very difficult, especially for us. But our ability to do so IMO determines whether we beat them or not.
    I echo all of this, and I'll add that I think the defensive intensity Miami was displaying caught up with them because they looked more tired than the Pacers by the end. It comes at that price, and I think as long as we keep fighting back we can hang around as they get tired (or expand a lead if we're shooting well from outside).

    Additionally, the other weakness of trapping and double teams is that once the offense has a feel for it they will relax and make the right pass more often, which weakens it's effectiveness as well. We saw that in the second half, and I think in a playoff series they will have to keep tweaking their defense or else we will get too comfortable with it. That's one of the chess matches to come.

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    The Heat have the best defense in the NBA outside the lane. Yes better than the Pacers.

    They trap and trap hard on all pick and rolls and they get tons of deflections when they do this. It took the Pacers until the second half to adjust to the Heat's trapping, pressure, quickness and speed on defense. But their approach gives the Pacers a lot of trouble. They also front the post pretty much all the time and that takes an adjustment as few teams play that style anymore.

    When we hold the ball like we did in the first half they get right into the player with the ball making it hard to move. In many ways the style the Heat play is more the style of defense played in the 90's and pre 2004. When they close out on the ball they get right into the offensive player, more than any team. And that gives us problems as it stops George Hill from starting our offense

    But if the Pacers can get the ball into the lane either off the dribble or in the post then we are good. I would love to know our score rate when we get the ball into the paint on the Heat vs when we don't. It has to be something like 80% vs 30%. (I realize that difference probably exists against all teams, but not nearly that big of a difference.

    People who know me know I am a defense first, second and third kind of guy. But I have said for the past 3 seasons or so that offense is the key to beaing the Heat. Get the ball inside and we are in great shape - but getting the ball inside on them is difficult, very difficult, especially for us. But our ability to do so IMO determines whether we beat them or not.

    I think it took too long for us to adjust. Paul kept curling and they kept trapping. The skip pass would have worked for a West jumper on a couple of possessions. Bosh can't play the gap on the baseline with Roy.

    I want to see the loop ran. We did it in the preseason but I think it has gone away. Putting Paul through multiple screens stops the trap and opens up the floor. The Spurs do this great. Even if Green or Parker are open the wait until the defense begins to respond. Leaving more cracks than a preschooler with a porcelain doll.

    I want Lance to get ahold of that shooting coach. He needs to revisit what he has learned. It is fine to work on it in the off season, but working on it when routines are busted can help.

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    I want Lance to get ahold of that shooting coach. He needs to revisit what he has learned. It is fine to work on it in the off season, but working on it when routines are busted can help.
    Can he invite Orlando to join them?

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    It's pretty crazy that the Walsh/Pritchard combo had cap space and tons of flexibility, yet they couldn't even bring in one single player who could give us multiple years of very solid production. It's pretty bad when Mahinmi is the "best" of their additions (i.e. the only one who wasn't dumped after one year). Then Bird immediately comes back and adds Scola and Watson, despite not having much flexibility at all. I don't like the Cope signing, but I'm not going to cry about it too much since Scola and Watson made the off-season a huge win.

    I know that Bird had his personal reasons for leaving for that year and that's his business, but losing him for that one super important off-season was very unfortunate.
    How many times have you posted this exact same thing? It's a broken record at this point.
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    The Heat radio people were up in arms this morning about how they think that should have been a flagrant foul.
    Got a video of it? I'd love to see a replay.
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    How many times have you posted this exact same thing? It's a broken record at this point.

    You get on me for beating a dead horse, yet your sig contains a post in which you are clearly trying to permanently mock the poster Dece. So who's really beating the dead horse?

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    I'd really like to see the Flop by Lebron where he was holding his nose for the next minute. I genuinely thought he got smacked and thats why they didn't call the quick travel as he lumbered a few steps with the ball before getting his dribble.... perhaps the officials quickly realized that he flopped and thats why they called him for the travel in the lane at the other end of floor so quickly.
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    You get on me for beating a dead horse, yet your sig contains a post in which you are clearly trying to permanently mock the poster Dece. So who's really beating the dead horse?
    A signature is different than making the exact same post over and over again. How am I trying to mock a poster? He said that, I'm simply quoting what he had to say. And honestly, that was one of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen. If Dece wants me to take it down, I gladly will. However, constant negativity is not the answer. Neither is blind homerism. I try to find an unbiased balance between the two.
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    A signature is different than making the exact same post over and over again. How am I trying to mock a poster? He said that, I'm simply quoting what he had to say. And honestly, that was one of the more ridiculous posts I've ever seen. If Dece wants me to take it down, I gladly will. However, constant negativity is not the answer. Neither is blind homerism. I try to find an unbiased balance between the two.
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    DG for 3

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    I love Luis Scola. That beautiful *******.

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    Haha, yeah I heard that ^.

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    I'm pretty sure you can hear Lance (or someone else) yell "He's faking" after this happened (didn't happen). Glad to see the refs figuring this out too.
    YES! That was hilarious and very audible. I can't even worry about LeBron's flop when you see Chalmers throwing himself on the ground like a small child.

    Great game though. I think the Pacers go as Lance goes, and vice versa, to a degree. Lance had the 3 point play, the three pointer, and a nice assist to West that all boosted our momentum in my opinion.

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    ^^ Good. Glad someone else heard it. Thx.

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    ^ you rock. I went through it and although it appears he didn't get hit in the eye, it was very close. Wish it was more obvious.

    One thing I know is the Heat hate Lance Stephenson. Guarantee if Lebron faked that it was because of Stephenson. They are always trying to get calls on him.

    Lebron took it personal on that Stephenson dunk at the end and I love it. He also said that Hibbert gets away with the verticallity rule more than anyone else. I love how much we annoy them. There was a good amount of no calls on those Mario Chalmers flops too. As much crap as lebron gets, Mario Chalmers is by far the worst flopper on the Heat team.

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    I thought Ian played alright on defense last night. Do you guys remember what used to happen to us when Roy went to the bench and Lou was playing "center" Lebron would rip off 10-0 scoring runs by himself. That doesn't happen with Ian, but yeah his offense sucks and he goes through rebounding droughts that bother me.

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    I will never complain about a Lebron flop because Battier and Chalmers are literally the two biggest flopping *****es I have ever seen on the same team.

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    it is amazing to have such a smart team, smart coaches and players who can adjust to what is going on within a game. That aspect reminds me of the late 90's team
    I loved Vogel's quote a few weeks ago where he said the starting five has turned into "a bunch of math experts" or something along those lines. They are apparently really taking on the intellectual side of the game.
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    Lebron took it personal on that Stephenson dunk at the end and I love it. He also said that Hibbert gets away with the verticallity rule more than anyone else. I love how much we annoy them. There was a good amount of no calls on those Mario Chalmers flops too. As much crap as lebron gets, Mario Chalmers is by far the worst flopper on the Heat team.
    You can't "get away with" a rule. That makes no sense if he said that. Chalmers makes me so mad. He doesn't just flop, he throws himself on the ground or across the court...and just laughs about it.

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    I will never complain about a Lebron flop because Battier and Chalmers are literally the two biggest flopping *****es I have ever seen on the same team.
    Exactly. It is pathetic and just shows you obviously can't legitimately defend someone.

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    I can't tell from that video.
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    I thought Ian played alright on defense last night. Do you guys remember what used to happen to us when Roy went to the bench and Lou was playing "center" Lebron would rip off 10-0 scoring runs by himself. That doesn't happen with Ian, but yeah his offense sucks and he goes through rebounding droughts that bother me.
    This is a post by me a couple of months ago when Ian's postseason defense against Miami was questioned.

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    0.7 blocks in those 8 minutes, which is pretty damn good. Guess you don't remember LeBron going straight at Ian and Ian doing Hibberts infamous straight up move during Game 1 that resulted in a wild shot attempt. The guy averaged 9mins on the road, and .9 blocks to go with it. I guess he should be closer to 1.5 every 10mins in order to get some love though.

    To put it in persepective, Roy averaged 36.6 mpg and 1.9 bpg, so that breaks down to 0.0246 bpm. Ian with his 8.3mpg and his .7 bpg, breaks down to 0.0843 bpm.
    And for how bad Ian was supposedly defensively last night, the Pacers with him on the floor only gave up 16 total points in his 11 minutes. That's less than a point and a half a minute, which would be a scoring average of 72pts through 48mins. It's really hard to believe, even with his fouls, that we're seriously going to complain about holding the supposed best offense in the world to such pedestrian scoring.
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    This is a post by me a couple of months ago when Ian's postseason defense against Miami was questioned.



    And for how bad Ian was supposedly defensively last night, the Pacers with him on the floor only gave up 16 total points in his 11 minutes. That's less than a point and a half a minute, which would be a scoring average of 72pts through 48mins. It's really hard to believe, even with his fouls, that we're seriously going to complain about holding the supposed best offense in the world to such pedestrian scoring.
    I think Roy is ruining Ian's image.

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    Replay on NBA TV NOW !!

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    IMO Part of the issue with Ian is that this time last year Hibbert was not really playing well so the drop off was almost nil, Roy has continued the solid work he put in late last year and through the playoffs, in other words he has gotten dramatically better but Ian has stayed the same so it is a bigger drop-off. Plus players do go through slumps and I think he is in one. Long road trips also tend to wear guys down lets see how he does after a couple of days off with no late flights, no taking a bus for hours in the fog etc.... this really was the road-trip from hell for the Pacers.

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    I can't tell from that video.
    I can't either…but using the context that he acted like he got hit then played a full possession then acted like he got hit a bit more after he traveled…I'm going to surmise he didn't get hit.
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