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Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

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  • #46
    Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

    I guess there are 2 different viewpoints when it comes to this article and overall discussion.

    1 ) Is this a Statement Game?
    2 ) Is this game important?

    I think both are 2 different perspectives of this game that answers different questions.

    Looking at this from a Statement Game perspective....it doesn't matter as much since a lot of different scenarios can play out over the course of the season. If we lose, we lose...but it won't change the fact that we are considered an Elite Team on the same level as OKC, SA and Miami.

    But looking at whether the game is actually important or not....it does matter for the various reasons that Trader Joe and graphic-er suggest due to the whole Tie-Breaker concern.

    In the end...one can consider this game an important game that won't change any Statement that the Pacers have already made.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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    • #47
      Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

      ...months from now, these two teams will meet in the Eastern Conference Finals, and what happens here Tuesday night, and what happens when they play again in the regular season, won't mean squat.
      Months from now these two teams will meet in the Eastern Conference Finals. What happens here Tuesday night, and what happens when they play again in the regular season, won't eliminate anyone but together those games will go a long long way to determining where a 7th game, if necessary, will be played.

      That is not "squat".

      Sure it's not the end of the world if we lose or cause for champagne if we win.

      There will be no statement or psychological conquest tonight.

      But it matters.

      A LOT.
      The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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      • #48
        Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

        Can I just say that I hate it when embedded videos auto-start playing like that? I load up multiple tabs at once when I catch up on my PD reading, and all of a sudden that dude is reporting on Heat/Pacers and I have no idea where it's coming from.

        Can that be edited out or otherwise somehow addressed, please?

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        • #49
          Re: Probablly Kravitz most sensible column yet

          Originally posted by DGPR View Post
          I would even go so far as to say that a win tonight by Indiana, could send them on a big winning streak a la last year's Miami team after they beat us. Winning tonight could give the Pacers a big big confidence booster. Hopefully a loss won't demoralize them and make them question what their team is all about. I trust Frank to have these guys mentally prepared for either outcome.
          There's no more confidence to be gained by beating Miami in the regular season. We've done that multiple times during the big 3 era. We defeated them 2 years ago at BLF (in a semi blowout) and we not only blew them out of BLF last season, but we also won the regular season series. We have beaten the Heat in the regular season, we have beaten them in playoff games...beating them, or losing to them during the regular season should do NOTHING to this team's confidence at this point, positive or negative.

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          • #50
            Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

            From a team standpoint, I don't think this game means that much. Of course a win against the Heat is exciting, but it won't matter come May. However, I think this game means a lot to the city. Casual Indy folks are starting to ride the Pacers bandwagon again, but with a win tonight, I really think everyone jumps on board.

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            • #51
              Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet




              If you use it as a measuring stick doesn't that mean you're looking to make a statement? I don't know, I get confused with my sports cliches.

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              • #52
                Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                I suspect each team wins 2 games in the 4 game regular season matchup. Probably each will win one game on the other teams court.

                I find it interesting that after tonight we play them a week later. Then after the next matchup March 26th, we play them 2 weeks later. I think it is just a coincidence, but I think it will tend to insure a 2-2 season split. Whoever lkoses tonight will win next week, same for next pair of games.

                I guess I don't understand what a statement game is. Game 7 ECF finals was that a statement game? Or are only regular season games statement games? Was OKC beating us Sunday night a statement game? Us beating the Spurs? I honestly have no idea.

                Maybe the only statement that can be made is your record. 18-3 is impressive.

                Did the Celtics make a statement by beaing the Heat in Miami? Did the Pistons make a statement by beating the Heat in Miami. But then the Heat just beat the Pistons in Auburn Hills. Everyone knows the east is between the heat and the pacers. The Heat respect us, they know us well.
                I think that the Spurs game was a Statement game. I know that many don't agree....but I think that the Pacers schedule ( up until this Road Trip ) was relatively easy....where the Pacers played Teams that were clearly below them or on the same level as the Pacers are. We did so well because we played against Teams that we were clearly better than and should be beating.

                But this West Coast swing against 2 Elite and 1 Near Elite Team on the Road no less....was a true measure of whether we are still an "Near Elite" Team or have graduated to being an "Elite" Team. To me.....the Road Game against the Spurs was a Statement game to show if we really belonged in the same breath as the Spurs, OKC and the Heat.
                Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                • #53
                  Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

                  I agree a little about not making a statement, but the wins are insanely important. The #1 seed will come down to just a few games I believe. Every time we beat the Heat we create a small cushion that we need badly.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

                    I'm not sure I buy that the Pacers don't have anyone with a second gear this season like LeBron and Wade. Has Kravitz been watching Paul George at all? He's been playing great basketball, and it's not like he hasn't stepped up in big moments in the past. It's just this year, he's more consistent with it.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Probablly Kravitz most sensible column yet

                      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                      I'm not trying to say that this game tonight is more important than family, health, well-being, or life itself. If you have a baby being born tonight, then yes you need to be with your wife and family instead of watching this game.
                      PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTT!!!!! They have TVs at hospitals! Focus, man!

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                      • #56
                        Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

                        ^^ Yeah. Put a TV under the sheet, next to the stirrups. You can watch both events at the same time.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Probably Kravitz most sensible column yet

                          Tonight is a must win game. Anytime we can put a W in our column and a loss in theirs at the same time is VERY important. I think the number one seed is gonna come down to the wire at the end of the year. We need to get this win.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Probablly Kravitz most sensible column yet

                            Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                            There's no more confidence to be gained by beating Miami in the regular season.

                            Maybe, Maybe not ... But one thing I will tell you it will do ...

                            If Indiana comes out tonight and beats Miami , what WILL be gained...... is a seed of doubt ....... a seed of doubt that will be implanted into the back of the minds of everyone on the Miami Heat that the Pacers are their roadblock to the championship this year in the east..
                            "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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                            • #59
                              Re: Probablly Kravitz most sensible column yet

                              Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                              Maybe, Maybe not ... But one thing I will tell you it will do ...

                              If Indiana comes out tonight and beats Miami , what WILL be gained...... is a seed of doubt ....... a seed of doubt that will be implanted into the back of the minds of everyone on the Miami Heat that the Pacers are their roadblock to the championship this year in the east..
                              The Pacers beat Miami by 10 in the first game last season. The Pacers won by 13 in the second game. We all know how the playoffs turned out. Tonight's game has little meaning on what's going to happen in this year's playoffs.

                              And I'm not sure some posters on here truly understand what "must win" game are. December 10th games are not must win.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Probablly Kravitz most sensible column yet

                                Originally posted by bunt View Post
                                The Pacers beat Miami by 10 in the first game last season. The Pacers won by 13 in the second game. We all know how the playoffs turned out. Tonight's game has little meaning on what's going to happen in this year's playoffs.

                                And I'm not sure some posters on here truly understand what "must win" game are. December 10th games are not must win.
                                The only meaning it has is in the hearts of the fans.

                                I want to be entertained, darnit. A win will entertain me. Whatever value or importance you all need to attach to the game in order to influence the outcome towards a win, I'm in.

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