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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

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Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

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  • #61
    Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

    Single covering a team w/ 2 dead weight (offensively) starters isn't really a good idea. Also, starting Lance on Durant was an epic disaster. Durant on the post should be doubled pretty much immediately, never leave Westbrook or Ibaka open, the only way Ibaka hurts offensively is giving him those open jumpers, he has no post game or anything really atm.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

    ----------------- Reggie Miller

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    • #62
      Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

      Zach Lowe agrees with all of you about our defensive schemes against Thunder:

      Zach Lowe@ZachLowe_NBA 3h Yes, everyone has issues with that play. But IND was unwilling to switch, got burned for it.

      I'm sure Vogel will figure it out next time.

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      • #63
        Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

        Originally posted by immortality View Post
        Zach Lowe agrees with all of you about our defensive schemes against Thunder:

        Zach Lowe@ZachLowe_NBA 3h Yes, everyone has issues with that play. But IND was unwilling to switch, got burned for it.

        I'm sure Vogel will figure it out next time.
        Well teams that can hit that mid range jumper present a big issue for our defensive scheme. I don't that we'll change much, maybe just matchups. It would be nice if Lance could evolve to cover Westbrook by the end of this season. G. Hill is at a size disadvantage in that matchup


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        • #64
          Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          Well teams that can hit that mid range jumper present a big issue for our defensive scheme. I don't that we'll change much, maybe just matchups. It would be nice if Lance could evolve to cover Westbrook by the end of this season. G. Hill is at a size disadvantage in that matchup
          That is what will most likely happen, Heat vs OKC finals, Wade guarded Westbrook, while they hid Chalmers on Thabo.

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          • #65
            Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

            Am I crazy to think that Sual needs a shot at OJ's playing time?

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            • #66
              Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

              Originally posted by docpaul View Post
              That surprises me. Westbrook reminds me a lot of your favorite player on the Pacers.

              I think Lance could do worse patterning some of his personality and playing characteristics with Westbrook.
              I probably hate Westbrook because he is so good.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              • #67
                Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                OKC outshoots us percentage-wise every time we played in the last 3 years (as far back as I checked)...they've also out-rebounded us every game, by a significant number in each game except one, which was the only one we won.

                As long as we're all about hotfooting it back on defense and not crashing the boards for offensive rebounds, I don't see how we can beat these guys with any regularity.

                Just a rough match-up for us all around.
                Last edited by kester99; 12-10-2013, 01:42 AM.


                [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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                • #68
                  Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                  The Pacers' strengths are the Heat's weaknesses, and the same is true just vice-versa for the Pacers/OKC. They match up so well with the Pacers at almost every position.
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                    Pacers were mentally weak in this game. A guy like Westbrook you have to mentally frustrate into making bad plays, you gotta beat him up alittle bit away from the ball. He hates being bodied up, and will retaliate by throwing his guy out of the way and picking up the offensive fouls. Every bad game i've seen of Westbrook has been a result of him throwing a temper tantrum from the whistles he gets for being too aggressive.

                    There was one play where OKC moved the ball all the around the court, and the Pacers were actually defending it quite well taking away all the options, and they forced a jumper late in the clock, Westbrook curled in from the 3 point line got a put back dunk over Hill who never laid a finger on him prior to the shot going up.
                    Pacers never really attacked them, and by golly Lance needs to step it up big time. What is he doing out there if he isn't going to attack the rim and get some fouls.

                    Honestly though, when both Durant and Westbrook are making tough shots, then they usually going to win pretty easy against anyone. Pacers made them take bunch of tough shots early, and they just kept knocking them down.
                    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                      Oklahoma shot 70% (everything they flung at the basket went in) while we ranged from 15 - 30% (with tons of bricks, air balls, and inandouts). Our hesitation and exhaustion was apparent, and our frustration manifest. The reffing was tolerable and, for the most part, fair. The Oklahoma fans were exuberant but well-mannered. I kept looking for that third quarter switch to flip, but it became obvious to all the the light was burnt out. These guys need a real rest, and Miami's going to come out of the gate swinging for our jaw. I expect they'll triple team Roy, as OKC did. They'll be much more physically aggressive, and try to pound us into the cracks in the boards.

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                      I remember last year...so I have hope.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                        Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
                        Am I crazy to think that Sual needs a shot at OJ's playing time?
                        Mmm... probably. I think Orlando's just struggling at the moment, but I think it will get better.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                          Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                          I probably hate Westbrook because he is so good.
                          If we played Westbrook more I might feel the same way. But you have to respect his game. The dude is powerful and cannot be denied.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                            http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...3323--nba.html

                            This ongoing rivalry, alongside Kevin Durant’s brilliant 36-point night in OKC’s thrashing of Indiana on Sunday evening, may have been why George went with Kevin Durant over LeBron James as the NBA’s toughest player to cover. From Scott Agness at the Pacers’ website:
                            Following the Pacers’ 118-94 loss in Oklahoma City, George told reporters that Durant is his toughest cover in the league.
                            “It is,” he said. “It is a tougher matchup. I watch their games, I watch a lot of NBA games. And offensively, KD is most of the times he’s scoring in bunches off of iso plays and one-on-one plays.
                            “And when they play against us, he’s moving a lot. He’s the screener, he’s getting back-screened and he’s coming off pin-downs and it’s a little different when I’m guarding him and it makes it a tougher cover.”


                            Understand that the NBA’s leading scorer wants nothing to do with talking about George’s praise, or anything having to do with the Pacers all-around swingman in the slightest. From Darnell Mayberry at the Oklahoman:
                            The day before the Thunder hosted Indiana, a certain topic of conversation was considered taboo inside the confines of Oklahoma City's practice facility.
                            It was rising star Paul George.
                            “KD don't want me answering this question,” Thunder center Kendrick Perkins responded, in reference to Kevin Durant, when asked about the Pacers forward, “because he's getting tired of hearing about Paul George.”
                            Mayberry also reports that Durant played Sunday’s game with a bit of a chip on his shoulder, yelling “write about that!” at the press row when he left the contest with Oklahoma City up 20 points on the team with the NBA’s best record.

                            Reserve guard Reggie Jackson also sensed something different with his team’s franchise player:
                            “He came out with a vengeance,” Thunder guard Reggie Jackson said of Durant. “I think he's tired of hearing about it, too. Whatever got him going, though, I'm happy we got the win.”
                            This is the price George has to pay for acting as the go-to guy on the NBA’s Next Great Team. The Pacers took their Game 7 loss to the Heat last season to heart over the summer, and sprinted out of the 2013-14 gate with a vengeance this season – winning 18 of their first 20 before falling to Oklahoma City. That run was admirable enough, but it got the rest of the league’s attention in ways both good and bad.


                            Last edited by Sherlock; 12-09-2013, 09:58 PM.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                              Originally posted by LadyAT View Post
                              They'll be much more physically aggressive, and try to pound us into the cracks
                              Sorry, but...

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                              • #75
                                Re: Pacers/Thunder Postgame Thread 12/8/13

                                I guess what Durant's mindset is:

                                I am sick and tired of being #2, now you are telling me I am #3?
                                WTF?

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