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    Since the Pacers were in the process of printing the fake ESPN magazine lol I still can't believe they did that for a player like him haha
    Don't gloat...oops too late. But seriously, you called out Copeland when many were high on the signing. Gotta hand it to you.

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    There's no reason to trade Copeland during the season. Keep him on the bench as a shooter and use him situationally. Then this off-season is when you move him to LA.

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    There's no reason to trade Copeland during the season. Keep him on the bench as a shooter and use him situationally. Then this off-season is when you move him to LA.
    For what?

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    I'm surprised Orlando Jonhson got worse than a year before when he was impressive.

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    Don't gloat...oops too late. But seriously, you called out Copeland when many were high on the signing. Gotta hand it to you.
    Is there a reason to not be high on an extra shooter/scorer? It's true that we got a better player to play at back-up PF but that doesn't mean that Copeland himself is not good.
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    Is there a reason to not be high on an extra shooter/scorer? It's true that we got a better player to play at back-up PF but that doesn't mean that Copeland himself is not good.
    Copeland was indeed supposed to be a good shooter. But he has a 36% FG% in garbage time. The biggest issue is that he's a tweener who cannot guard anyone. I think we paid too much.

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    The guy can't even get playing time over a rookie a second year player and an old guy I'm sorry but Cope sucks.

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    Since the Scola trade.
    Sure Scola was going to hurt Cope's minutes no matter what, but if Cope was a good player who could help us win then we'd find ways to get him a few more minutes.

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    The guy can't even get playing time over a rookie a second year player and an old guy I'm sorry but Cope sucks.
    Or he doesnt fit a role as well as those guys. But hey lets just indiscriminately whine that makes more sense

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    Or he doesnt fit a role as well as those guys.
    I think that's part of it. Solo gets minutes because he can defend the wing somewhat adequately. OJ gets minutes because (I think) they think he has promise on offense. Also, he can play a little D. But Copeland cannot guard a wing of any substance.

    So, he competes for minutes at PF with Luis Scola who is the far better basketball player. With Scola and West eating all the PF minutes, there's not much to go around. Now, if Copeland started lighting it up on offense, he would get more time. But he's not even doing that.

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    Copeland was indeed supposed to be a good shooter. But he has a 36% FG% in garbage time. The biggest issue is that he's a tweener who cannot guard anyone. I think we paid too much.
    I wouldn't read too much into FG% during garbage time to be fair. Players tend to throw up shots for the sake of it in order to get off the mark.
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    There's no reason to trade Copeland during the season. Keep him on the bench as a shooter and use him situationally. Then this off-season is when you move him to LA.
    Butler can do the samething and cheaper!

    "IF" Copeland can be moved to bring in a player to help the team, then you trade him. He's not an intregal part of this team, or as Bird said he wouldn't want to trade any core players which Copeland isn't.

    JMO, but I still feel the Pacers could use another big. One that can play both the 5 & 4.

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    Copeland was a worse signing than Green at least Green suckiness and dunking ability was entertaining, Cope can't even do that Vogel doesn't even trust the guy in garbage time.

    I hope we trade him for a bag of Cheetos without giving up a pick of course.

    Note that I'm talking about Cope from NY and here, I always thought he sucked and was a waste of space.

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    Copeland was a worse signing than Green at least Green suckiness and dunking ability was entertaining, Cope can't even do that Vogel doesn't even trust the guy in garbage time.

    I hope we trade him for a bag of Cheetos without giving up a pick of course.

    Note that I'm talking about Cope from NY and here, I always thought he sucked and was a waste of space.
    I prefer Copeland over Green, but it may only be because Copeland doesn't get much time.

    Seriously though, if basketball IQ's were actually calculated Green's might be the lowest in the history of the NBA.

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    I'm surprised Orlando Jonhson got worse than a year before when he was impressive.
    In most ways he is better, it is just his shooting from 3 that is worse.

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    There's no reason to trade Copeland during the season. Keep him on the bench as a shooter and use him situationally. Then this off-season is when you move him to LA.
    Yes there is.....to clear 2014-2015 CapSpace to ensure that we re-sign Lance. The Pacers are right at 50/50 re-signing Lance without going over the LT. Some Team just has to offer him a Contract starting at more then $7-8 mil a year and the Pacers would be over the LT to offer him something similar.

    I have little to no problem with signing Copeland at the time of the trade...but Copeland is a luxury at this point after trading for Scola and ( one could even argue ) Butler and Granger ( not to mention OJ/Solo ).

    To be clear....cuz there is a difference and I think IT MUST be noted.....I think that Copeland must be traded for financial reasons and cuz he's the most expendable given our lineup. If there was no financial reason to do so...I'd have very little problem with him in the lineup as an expensive 3pt specialist Role Player.
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    When can Copeland be traded? he signed his contract right? That means that he can't traded untill 3 months (?) after he signed the contract?
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    When can Copeland be traded? he signed his contract right? That means that he can't traded untill 3 months (?) after he signed the contract?
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    I'm not really worried about it. I think Copeland will play a role for this team at some point this year. One injury to West or Scola, and it's "next man up". I think as the season wears on and maybe you rest the veteran legs of West and Scola, we'll see more Cope.

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    I think that's part of it. Solo gets minutes because he can defend the wing somewhat adequately. OJ gets minutes because (I think) they think he has promise on offense. Also, he can play a little D. But Copeland cannot guard a wing of any substance.

    So, he competes for minutes at PF with Luis Scola who is the far better basketball player. With Scola and West eating all the PF minutes, there's not much to go around. Now, if Copeland started lighting it up on offense, he would get more time. But he's not even doing that.
    How can he light it up on offense when he doesn't get any playing time???? I feel like we're wasting an asset here.

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    How can he light it up on offense when he doesn't get any playing time???? I feel like we're wasting an asset here.
    There was a three or four game period where he got minutes. The first game he went off and got points, the rest of them he brought nothing. 3 out of 4 games where you are detriment is not good odds. Orlando and Solo might not be bringing much on offense, but both are at worst adequate defenders. Copeland is not.

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    How can he light it up on offense when he doesn't get any playing time???? I feel like we're wasting an asset here.
    He's had some chances and hasn't made much of it. I agree though that he needs more shots to see if he can become a weapon. Still, you have to pull Scola off the floor and IF Granger returns you will not need Copeland at all. So, afaic, it is far more important to get Danny on the floor to see what he can do...not so much Copeland who makes Granger look like all-world on defense.

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    But why not move Danny at the 2 and Cope at the 3?

    Cj/Danny/Cope/Scola/Ian is so solid

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    But why not move Danny at the 2 and Cope at the 3?

    Cj/Danny/Cope/Scola/Ian is so solid
    You can do that for the most part, but Copeland at 3 is just bad news defensively.

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    The amount we spend talking about guys who only play in garbage time boggles my mind. Seriously, we are 20-3 and we are concerned that Copeland isnt good enough. Who the **** cares?

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