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    Say we beat the Jazz tonight and Spurs later this week...should we sacrifice a loss to OKC to rest for the Heat game on Tuesday? I feel that game would be 3x more important to us especially since we want to defend our undefeated home record.

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    Uh, that is something that shouldn't even be discussed.

    Play games one at a time and attempt to win each game. Every single game is winnable because we can beat any team in the league, no matter where the game is played. You don't maintain the best record in the EC by sacrificing a game here or there. And this doesn't even address integrity issues.

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    No.

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    Uh, that is something that shouldn't even be discussed.

    Play games one at a time and attempt to win each game. Every single game is winnable because we can beat any team in the league, no matter where the game is played. You don't maintain the best record in the EC by sacrificing a game here or there. And this doesn't even address integrity issues.
    I think that's what the Heat did with Wade against the Pistons. Calculated risk, but they do it throughout the regular season. They almost always have all hands on deck for the marquee matchups. You know he will play against the Pacers.
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    Every game in the regular season is worth the same amount. We've won season series against Miami before and lost in the playoffs. This season is about getting Home court advantage and nothing else. Try to win every game because none are promised victories.

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    In theory it might sound good. Rest Roy, West and PG against the Thunder so they are ready to go against the Heat. And if that could 100% guarantee a win against the Heat it might be tempting. But it doesn't guarantee anything. Plus what message does that send to the players who have been playing with Frank harping on getting best record in the NBA.

    Play every game to win.

    Every game in the regular season is not worth the same amount. teams you might end up tied in regular season wins the games against those teams mean more. If we beat the Heat 3-1, but end up tied we get the advantage. if we end with the same record, but lose series to heat 1-3 we lose the advantage. so it does mean more in that regard. So 55 isn't always the exact same. I would rather win 55 games and have won the season series against teams we tie with than not
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    If the pacers were a lesser team, sure.

    But the Pacers CAN beat the Jazz, the spurs, the thunder and then the heat.
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    I agree. I wouldn't worry if we had a day apart from Spurs to OKc, but they're back to back where our guys would need to pay 150% effort just to rest a day and do it again with the Heat.

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    I agree. I wouldn't worry if we had a day apart from Spurs to OKc, but they're back to back where our guys would need to pay 150% effort just to rest a day and do it again with the Heat.

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    No, OKC has the championship belt. Pacers should want it .

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    What is it with you and willing to "take it easy or sacrifice a game" to look forward to the next opponent?
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    Win both.

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    Sounds more like sacrificing a win....

    This team is in win now mode so don't blow off a game to focus on a different game. OTOH, if the OKC game gets out of hand then sure.... go ahead and start resting players. But as long as it is winnable, you want every win you can get. That is a goal of the season. That should be clear from the team's comments.
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    I don't think you sit a key player unless

    1) he really has a nagging injury that would benefit from the extra rest and allow him to come back for a more meaningful contest

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    2) he's an older player like Duncan or Ginobili who needs their minutes managed to preserve health for the postseason

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    3) Your playoff slot is set.

    #3 doesn't apply
    #2 might someday apply to BAMF or to Granger after he returns, but not now
    #1 could apply at any time, but I don't know it to be true. It applied to George Hill awhile back though

    It would take multiple applications of these player situations to ever rise to the level of "sacrificing a loss", so maybe I should have just said NO!
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    What is it with you and willing to "take it easy or sacrifice a game" to look forward to the next opponent?
    Because the last thing I want is losing to Miami @ home and losing our undefeated home record without giving a fair shot.

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    Because the last thing I want is losing to Miami @ home and losing our undefeated home record without giving a fair shot.
    At what point do we look at ourselves as equals and say, we don't need extra rest to beat any team on our homecourt; Miami included?

    I understand the theory, but I'd rather play to win each game, and take my chances that way. I could see us resting players down the stretch if our playoff seeding is secured, or potentially giving vets with nagging injuries a few extra days to rest up, but aside from that.....play on.

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    Because the last thing I want is losing to Miami @ home and losing our undefeated home record without giving a fair shot.
    Resting against OKC does not accomplish that.

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    I hate to say this about home court and whatnot, but I don't think the goal should ever be, sacrifice road games to have a shot at 41-0 home record. I honestly think outside of a potential tiebreaker, the Miami games don't really mean too much now. Both teams know they can compete with the other. Do I want to beat their brains out, sure, but if the Pacers lose, I'm not going to think the team is a bunch of pretenders all of a sudden.
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    This team has stated over and over and over again that their regular-season goal is to get the #1 seed so that any potential game 7's are played at home. It's practically a mantra for Vogel and the team.

    That means trying to win every single possible game, whether it's against Miami or Milwaukee.

    I could see resting certain guys a little on certain nights against the BAD teams later in the season if it's necessary. But certainly not now.

    I think Vogel (and the team) would rather go 0-4 against Miami during the year and get the number 1 seed, than go 4-0 against Miami and get the 2 seed. Not that that's actually a real choice. Just saying. No games off.
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    If the starters want to rest up for Miami, they need to blow out OKC.

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    It's not a back to back right? Even if we did that I don't think it would help.

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