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  • Re: Colts bench Trent Richardson

    At the time of TRich's acquisition, we were a solid team that didnt look this bad and no glaring needs like the o line has now become. Saying we have more pressing needs now is using your excellent 20/20 hindsight.
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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      I'm done arguing this point. You all know my stance, it's not changing until I see this line and play-calling improve. If that happens and TRich still shows nothing, I'll own up. But I truly believe he'll be impressive if that happens.
      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
        At the time of TRich's acquisition, we were a solid team that didnt look this bad and no glaring needs like the o line has now become. Saying we have more pressing needs now is using your excellent 20/20 hindsight.
        Really? You want me to go back and pull up some of my posts from when that trade went down? I was against it from day one. In just this one case, my foresight was 20/20.

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          I was responding to cub, not you. I don't really give a **** what you say.
          There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
            I'm done arguing this point. You all know my stance, it's not changing until I see this line and play-calling improve. If that happens and TRich still shows nothing, I'll own up. But I truly believe he'll be impressive if that happens.
            Yes, almost every running back in the league would be impressive with a good offensive line, good play calling, and an elite quarterback.

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              They should put Pep in at RB
              Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                Brown also has more time in this league and in this system. He's also a first round pick. It's not really shocking that he looks 50 yards better.
                Nobody will argue with that. And that's what most are saying... T-Rich might look better, even much better, with an improved line and more time.... BUT here... today... this season... DBrown is sorta producing... T-Rich is not. NOBODY is saying DBrown is anything but a slight improvement based on circumstances. Certainly nobody is saying DBrown is any kind of answer at RB moving forward into the future.

                We can debate WHY T-Rich doesn't do as well as DBrown this season, and there will always be the caveat of "Until the line is fixed nobody is going to look very good"... But for here and now, DBrown has earned the start with his ability to produce better than T-Rich with this line. ...And you might as well have said it yourself right here:
                Brown also has more time in this league and in this system. He's also a first round pick. It's not really shocking that he looks 50 yards better.
                And that sums up why Brown is starting.
                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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                  Not saying that. Just defending TRich from the "utterly sucks" mentality from those who can't seem to grasp context. I still think, given a line that at least resembles a mediocre line, he immediately can show he's the better option. As of now, the hill he's had to climb has been massive. We could still see something from this line this year, not giving up hope yet. They got to get something going. Might have seen some signs of life on that last drive.

                  To me though, the demotion was more treating a symptom than fixing the source. DBrown produces about 5% better than TRich with this line. My point... how bout you work on that line?

                  I'm not in the camp that believes DBrown starting gives us that much more of a chance. Might seem like more to some, but was basically a lateral move in my opinion. We scored on a number of drives before the last drive (albeit mostly FGs) with DBrown having very little impact. He had like 25 yards on 2.0 YPC before that. Just don't think it had the impact that people think.

                  All I'm hoping for is that this last game was a confidence booster and something for our offense to build on. Get this line somewhat functional, get TRich some more experience, and maybe go into the playoffs seeing the player we hope to see. I'm fairly confident that DBrown is not our long-term solution. I still think TRich can be. I prefer DBrown as a change of pace back.
                  Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 12-04-2013, 10:06 PM.
                  There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                    Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                    Not saying that. Just defending TRich from the "utterly sucks" mentality from those who can't seem to grasp context.
                    I stop reading your diatribes when I see **** like this. Like the other 5-6 people arguing against you somehow can't grasp these advanced concepts that you have caught onto. Just stop. It's garbage and you know it.

                    Unless TRich turns into Adrian Peterson, he will never be worth the price we paid for him. See, as part of this ongoing "context" thing that you mention that the rest of us simpletons are just learning about, I believe the price we paid for him is included in the context of his production. Late round running backs perform like this, and it's fine, it's expected. Running backs with first round price tags shouldn't be missing holes and stutter stepping at the line and performing worse than our preseason 4th string running back.

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                      How about we improve on that god-awful O-line with our 1st round pick next year? Or add depth to our anemic receiving corps? Or address a position of need on defense?

                      Bottom line I'm just not comfortable with how much we gave up to get him. Guy's YPC average with Cleveland wasn't impressive either. Supposedly they had a bad O - line. Hmm.

                      And I have not been gung ho on the trade since day one. Agree with cdash and Sollozo in that regard. You give up a 1st rounder for a guy, he ought to at least show flashes of potential now and then.
                      I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

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                        Originally posted by cdash View Post
                        I stop reading your diatribes when I see **** like this. Like the other 5-6 people arguing against you somehow can't grasp these advanced concepts that you have caught onto. Just stop. It's garbage and you know it.

                        Unless TRich turns into Adrian Peterson, he will never be worth the price we paid for him. See, as part of this ongoing "context" thing that you mention that the rest of us simpletons are just learning about, I believe the price we paid for him is included in the context of his production. Late round running backs perform like this, and it's fine, it's expected. Running backs with first round price tags shouldn't be missing holes and stutter stepping at the line and performing worse than our preseason 4th string running back.
                        Who was also a first rounder.

                        Trust me, it's hard for me to read your stuff too. I got an idea; how 'bout not expecting Adrian Peterson or bust? Just complete lack of reality and context and until you show it, I'll continue to respond to these ridiculous statements.
                        Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 12-05-2013, 01:50 AM.
                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                          Originally posted by Bball View Post
                          Those people sure aren't in this thread.
                          Oh, but they are.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                            His biggest highlight as a Colt is a 16 yard run. Five players on the Colts roster have longer runs this season.

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                              Well that settles it, lol.
                              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                                Who was also a first rounder.

                                Trust me, it's hard for me to read your stuff too. I got an idea; how 'bout not expecting Adrian Peterson or bust? Just complete lack of reality and context and until you show it, I'll continue to respond to these ridiculous statements.
                                And that's why so many people have *****ed about him over the years--he was a wasted first round pick.

                                I have a complete lack of reality and context because--lord forbid--I would like to see a guy picked 3rd overall who we dealt a first rounder to obtain to at least show some flashes of being a good NFL running back. Flashes he has not shown--here or in Cleveland. At some point in roughly 30 career games, wouldn't you expect him to show something here and there? Wait, let me guess, he has, but your advanced knowledge of the NFL allows only you to see it?

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