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Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

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  • #31
    Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

    I didn't watch tonight's game with sound and I was at a bar, so my attention was not exactly undivided, but reading through Twitter and some of these threads, I'm going to pose a potentially unpopular question: Is Lance getting a little too cocky out there?

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    • #32
      Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

      Originally posted by cdash View Post
      I didn't watch tonight's game with sound and I was at a bar, so my attention was not exactly undivided, but reading through Twitter and some of these threads, I'm going to pose a potentially unpopular question: Is Lance getting a little too cocky out there?
      IMHO.....I think so.

      I feel that it fuels his ability to create shots and scoring opportunities for both himself and others ( such as the no-look pass to Scola and the behind the back pass to CJ ) fires up the crowd and Team that simply feeds the overall success of the Team.

      But I also think that it can lead to mistakes from time to time ( such as "roll your eyes" turnovers ) and ( unknowingly ) p*ss off and inspire the other Team ( such as his "choking" gesture to LeDecision 2 seasons ago ) to go out and win at all costs.

      For now, I see that this can just be a sign that he hasn't reached his full maturity yet...and I hope that Bird/Vogel are able to "ground him" ( a little ). But I get the sense that this is just part of his personality and something that will always be a part of who he is as a Player. He simply needs a certain sense of cockiness in order to do the amazing things that we see him do. In the end, I think that this cockiness of his will always be a double-edged sword. But then again, he wouldn't be called the "X-Factor" for nothing.

      Again...JMHO.
      Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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      • #33
        Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

        Frank Vogel is awesome.
        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG" - Carol "The Walking Dead"

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        • #34
          Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
          IMHO.....I think so.

          I feel that it fuels his ability to create shots and scoring opportunities for both himself and others ( such as the no-look pass to Scola and the behind the back pass to CJ ) fires up the crowd and Team that simply feeds the overall success of the Team.

          But I also think that it can lead to mistakes from time to time ( such as "roll your eyes" turnovers ) and ( unknowingly ) p*ss off and inspire the other Team ( such as his "choking" gesture to LeDecision 2 seasons ago ) to go out and win at all costs.

          For now, I see that this can just be a sign that he hasn't reached his full maturity yet...and I hope that Bird/Vogel are able to "ground him" ( a little ). But I get the sense that this is just part of his personality and something that will always be a part of who he is as a Player. He simply needs a certain sense of cockiness in order to do the amazing things that we see him do. In the end, I think that this cockiness of his will always be a double-edged sword. But then again, he wouldn't be called the "X-Factor" for nothing.

          Again...JMHO.
          On the positive side, Lance also has the ability to electrify the entire NBA. His potential is that large. He is the ultimate performer who loves and understands the stage.

          He also has more ability than anyone on our team, maybe anyone in the NBA, to win a psychological battle with Lebron.

          Yes, Lance is a two edged sword. But let's not forget just how sharp the good side is.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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          • #35
            Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
            He also has more ability than anyone on our team, maybe anyone in the NBA, to win a psychological battle with Lebron.

            Lancey: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
            LeBron: You're that smart?
            Lancey: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
            LeBron: Yes.
            Lancey: Morons.
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            • #36
              Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

              I think that Magic Stephenson is smart enough to know not to pull a stunt like that in a close game. We were blowing the Wizards out so his forced shots were not putting the game in jeopardy. I understand the lesson that Vogel taught him, but I don't think there was too much harm in what Magic Stephenson was doing. Born knows not to pull a stunt like that in a close playoff game against Miami.

              Of course Lance is cocky. That's what gives him his swagger. He wouldn't be the same player if he wasn't so cocky, and the Pacers wouldn't be 15-1 without him.

              Easily one of the most exciting Pacers I've ever watched. There is only one Magic Stephenson.

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              • #37
                Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                Originally posted by Mad-Mad-Mario View Post
                Every little bit helps. The shorthand Clips had to play OT to beat the King. All their starters played at least 37 minutes. While none of ours did. Lance was closest with 36 minutes.

                Not to mention their game ended what 4 hours after ours. Like I said every little bit helps.

                Lets get the road trip started on the right track.
                They also lost Redick to a wrist injury last night, he did not return to the game.

                Dan Woike ‏@DanWoikeSports 10h

                JJ Redick said his wrist is in significant pain, swollen and throbbing. He said he hopes to have a MRI performed on it tomorrow.
                Last edited by Sandman21; 11-30-2013, 12:01 PM.
                "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                • #38
                  Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                  Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                  I think that Magic Stephenson is smart enough to know not to pull a stunt like that in a close game. We were blowing the Wizards out so his forced shots were not putting the game in jeopardy. I understand the lesson that Vogel taught him, but I don't think there was too much harm in what Magic Stephenson was doing. Born knows not to pull a stunt like that in a close playoff game against Miami.

                  Of course Lance is cocky. That's what gives him his swagger. He wouldn't be the same player if he wasn't so cocky, and the Pacers wouldn't be 15-1 without him.

                  Easily one of the most exciting Pacers I've ever watched. There is only one Magic Stephenson.
                  I continue to pray that Lance turns that swagger into Westbook mentality, and not Tyreke or Jennings "it's all about me ball". I still think he could go both ways, but this particular team environment is about the best hope he has for learning to control that energy. I think Vogel handled the circumstance last night masterfully.

                  The leash is now off, he's getting the fan and media attention... so lets see how he handles it.

                  (prays again)

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                  • #39
                    Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                    You know a team is really rolling when the ENTIRE post game thread is dedicated to a player that didn't even score in double figures tonight. Lol

                    Whether you think Lance is the second coming of magic, or a guy who's showboating and maddening plays will cost us against actual good teams is irrelevant tonight. This is a Great team doing Great things and imposing their will against yet another inferior opponent. Let's keep it going.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                      Think if Lance had sprained his ankle trying to get a triple double. Everyone would have freaked at everyone. Better to just take him out, but I really wanted to see him get that 3. Bankers Life would have exploded.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                        http://www.nba.com/pacers/#/story/re...wizards-131129


                        "I love to see guys get triple-doubles. I like seeing our players have individual success but you can’t make moves that could compromise the next game. You just can’t do that. First of all, he’s showboating a little with a 23-point lead. That’s where guys take shots at you. You play in 36 hours, you get him out. Plus, I was trying to prevent him from getting it the wrong way ... 10 turnovers." – Vogel on pulling Stephenson

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                        • #42
                          Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                          Good Lance > Bad Lance.

                          The positive on Bad Lance is this could likely be the reason why a contract outside the Pacers ability to pay may never materialize. Just hope Bad Lance doesn't make too many appearances in the playoffs.

                          The entry pass to Scola was one of the best dimes of the year. Hopefully these two can continue to jell and be a factor when scoring gets tough in the postseason.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                            Originally posted by cdash View Post
                            I didn't watch tonight's game with sound and I was at a bar, so my attention was not exactly undivided, but reading through Twitter and some of these threads, I'm going to pose a potentially unpopular question: Is Lance getting a little too cocky out there?
                            Meh, yes and no. He was great most of the game but into the 4th he started playing for stats doing just really stupid stuff. It was a blowout so it wasn't a big deal but I'm never a fan of playing for numbers. Honestly wasn't a big fan of his body language when Frank pulled him. I mean, I know it looks nice in a box score, but does a triple double you have to manufacture really count?

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                            • #44
                              Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                              You guys have to look at it as Lance has been making pennies the last two years compared to other starters. So at least from Lances perspective I'm sure he knows that the better his stats are this year and the more triple doubles and the more highlight plays he gets all equals more money for him next year. Which may not be the best thing for us, but certainly is for him and his families future.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers Wizards Post Game Thread: LANCE! LANCE! lance.

                                Bad Lance still concerns me, but Good Lance is pretty damn good and exciting.

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