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    Default How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_11267.shtml

    DONYELL: The word is Donyell Marshall is being showcased for potential suitors as the Raptors try to up the value. The Raptors have been on a tear lately, winning 7 of their last 10 games, putting serious trade talks to the side, but Rob Babcock is still talking according to league sources as he looks beyond this year into next for the future cap room and draft picks that the Raptors feel they need to re-tool around Chris Bosh. The Miami Heat has serious interest in Donyell, but do not have the trade assets the Raptors are seeking. The Pacers are a new entry into the Marshall talks, and they may have the parts Toronto is looking for namely Fred Jones and draft picks. The Knicks have expressed interest in Marshall, but would have to take Jalen Rose in any deal they make, and they do not have the friendly contracts or draft picks the Raptors are seeking. There is the chance New Jersey gets in the mix with their trade exceptions, but the Nets want Marshall too.

    Interesting idea. If this happened, we could let Marshall start at SF and we'd be back to Jackson/Reggie at the 2.

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Is Marshall's natural position SF? How does he play?
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    no!

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Marshall can play SF and PF just fine.

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    How old is he?

    And the big question...

    Can he play any defense?
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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    i don't think its smart to trade someone who might turn out to be very good for a journeyman.

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    I don't know why they would do this. I do not see it happening.
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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    You guys are giving Fred too much credit. The guy is not all that great, he is expendable.
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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

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    How old is he?

    And the big question...

    Can he play any defense?
    He's older than Fred for sure. Let me check:

    He'll be 32 in May.

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    2004-05 Statistics










    REBOUNDS PER GAME
    TEAM G GS MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    TOR 33 0 24.0 123-300 .410 61-159 .384 43-52 .827 1.60 5.00 6.60 1.1 .91 .55 .73 2.30 10.6


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    REBOUNDS PER GAME
    YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    94-95 MIN 40 8 25.9 .374 .302 .680 1.60 3.30 4.90 1.4 .63 1.25 1.45 1.60 10.8
    94-95 GSW 32 23 32.8 .413 .270 .640 2.30 4.30 6.50 1.5 .63 1.19 1.78 2.90 14.8
    94-95 -- 72 31 29.0 .394 .284 .662 1.90 3.70 5.60 1.5 .63 1.22 1.60 2.20 12.6
    95-96 GSW 62 6 15.1 .398 .298 .771 1.00 2.40 3.40 .8 .35 .50 .77 1.30 5.5
    96-97 GSW 61 20 16.8 .413 .315 .622 1.50 3.00 4.50 .9 .41 .75 .90 1.60 7.3
    97-98 GSW 73 73 35.8 .414 .313 .731 2.90 5.70 8.60 2.2 1.30 1.00 2.01 3.10 15.4
    98-99 GSW 48 20 26.0 .421 .361 .727 2.40 4.70 7.10 1.4 .98 .77 1.67 2.60 11.0
    99-00 GSW 64 51 32.4 .394 .355 .780 3.00 7.00 10.00 2.6 1.06 1.06 1.92 2.80 14.2
    00-01 UTA 81 49 28.7 .503 .320 .751 2.10 4.90 7.00 1.6 1.05 .96 1.58 2.40 13.6
    01-02 UTA 58 42 30.2 .519 .310 .708 2.70 4.90 7.60 1.7 .86 1.16 2.14 2.60 14.8
    02-03 CHI 78 53 30.5 .459 .379 .756 3.00 6.00 9.00 1.8 1.22 1.09 1.73 3.00 13.4
    03-04 CHI 16 8 25.5 .419 .407 .700 1.80 4.40 6.20 1.8 .81 1.25 1.38 2.90 8.7
    03-04 TOR 66 66 39.1 .467 .403 .741 2.80 8.00 10.70 1.4 1.21 1.58 1.44 3.00 16.2
    03-04 -- 82 74 36.4 .461 .403 .736 2.60 7.30 9.90 1.5 1.13 1.51 1.43 3.00 14.7
    04-05 TOR 33 0 24.0 .410 .384 .827 1.60 5.00 6.60 1.1 .91 .55 .73 2.30 10.6
    Career
    712 419 28.4 .439 .343 .732 2.30 5.10 7.40 1.6 .92 1.00 1.54 2.50 12.4
    Playoff
    9 5 31.6 .413 .286 .760 3.00 4.70 7.70 2.1 .56 1.22 1.56 2.70 12.1

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    REBOUNDS
    YEAR TEAM G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
    94-95 MIN 40 8 1,036 158-423 32-106 83-122 64 132 196 57 25 50 58 63 431
    94-95 GSW 32 23 1,050 187-453 37-137 64-100 73 136 209 48 20 38 57 94 475
    94-95 -- 72 31 2,086 345-876 69-243 147-222 137 268 405 105 45 88 115 157 906
    95-96 GSW 62 6 934 125-314 28-94 64-83 65 148 213 49 22 31 48 83 342
    96-97 GSW 61 20 1,022 174-421 35-111 61-98 92 184 276 54 25 46 55 96 444
    97-98 GSW 73 73 2,611 451-1,090 63-201 158-216 210 418 628 159 95 73 147 226 1,123
    98-99 GSW 48 20 1,250 208-494 26-72 88-121 115 227 342 66 47 37 80 123 530
    99-00 GSW 64 51 2,071 331-840 49-138 199-255 189 448 637 167 68 68 123 180 910
    00-01 UTA 81 49 2,326 427-849 41-128 205-273 172 394 566 133 85 78 128 196 1,100
    01-02 UTA 58 42 1,750 343-661 13-42 160-226 158 285 443 101 50 67 124 150 859
    02-03 CHI 78 53 2,378 421-918 33-87 167-221 234 465 699 137 95 85 135 234 1,042
    03-04 CHI 16 8 408 57-136 11-27 14-20 28 71 99 28 13 20 22 47 139
    03-04 TOR 66 66 2,580 413-884 120-298 120-162 182 527 709 94 80 104 95 200 1,066
    03-04 -- 82 74 2,988 470-1,020 131-325 134-182 210 598 808 122 93 124 117 247 1,205
    04-05 TOR 33 0 792 123-300 61-159 43-52 54 165 219 35 30 18 24 76 350
    Career
    712 419 20,208 3,418-7,783 549-1,600 1,426-1,949 1,636 3,600 5,236 1,128 655 715 1,096 1,768 8,811
    Playoff
    9 5 284 43-104 4-14 19-25 27 42 69 19 5 11 14 24 109

    CAREER TRANSACTIONS
    Selected after junior season by the Minnesota Timberwolves in the first round (fourth pick overall) of the 1994 NBA Draft....Traded by the Timberwolves to the Golden State Warriors for Tom Gugliotta on 2/18/95....Traded by the Warriors to the Utah Jazz as part of four-team deal in which the Boston Celtics received Robert Pack, John Williams and cash considerations from the Dallas Mavericks and a conditional first-round draft pick from the Jazz, the Mavericks received Dana Barros from the Celtics, Bill Curley from the Warriors and Howard Eisley from the Jazz, the Jazz received Bruno Sundov from the Mavericks, and the Warriors received Danny Fortson from the Celtics and Adam Keefe from the Jazz on 8/16/0 ... Signed by the Chicago Bulls as a free agent on 8/16/02... Traded by Chicago with guard/forward Jalen Rose and forward Lonny Baxter to Toronto for centre/forward Antonio Davis, and forwards Jerome Williams and Chris Jefferies on 12/01/03 ... Signed through 2004-05 season.


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    2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
    Points22 3 Times 37 @ Milwaukee 2/23/00
    Field Goals Made9 @ Detroit 12/08/0416 @ Dallas 5/01/99
    Field Goals Attempted17 @ Cleveland 12/04/0426 3 Times
    Three Point Field Goals Made 6 @ Minnesota 1/17/057 @ Boston 12/12/03
    Three Point Field Goals Attempted11 @ Philadelphia 1/14/0511 @ Philadelphia 1/14/05
    Free Throws Made8 vs. Utah 12/22/0411 vs. L.A. Lakers 4/05/00
    Free Throws Attempted8 vs. Utah12/22/0414 vs. L.A. Lakers4/05/00
    Offensive Rebounds5 @ Miami 11/30/0410 vs. New Jersey 11/25/97
    Defensive Rebounds15 @ Detroit 12/08/0417 2 Times
    Total Rebounds15 @ Detroit 12/08/0424 @ Chicago 2/17/04
    Assists4 @ Houston 12/20/049 2 Times
    Steals4 @ Houston 12/20/045 6 Times
    Blocks3 2 Times6 vs. Sacramento 2/13/01
    Minutes Played36 3 Times49 2 Times

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Marshall is a solid big man, one that I have always thought was underrated.

    Guards like Fred Jones are a dime a dozen, there is nothing that is so special about him that you can't trade him for a big man as solid as Donyell Marshall.

    Unfortuneately, there are who don't think Fred Jones should be traded unless you get Kobe or Tmac in return.

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Marshall is a good rebounder and an excellent three point shooter. He is decent at everything else. His best position is as a power forward who can cause matchup problems by shooting three pointers. Space the floor, sorta like Cro can.

    The thought of Marshall defending the good small forward in the NBA is a pipe dream. he simply cannot guard those type players. He is a power forward

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Well don't trade for him now, he just sprained his right wrist. We're already short on players as it is.

    And Hicks, stats don't really show how ell he plays defense. Although averaging 6.6 REB a game is defintley something this team knows, but the return of Stephen should help with that.

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    I think I would do this trade. I've always like Marshalls game. Hes a very versatile offensive player and will help us out on the defensive end as well especially in rebounding. The only reason you don't do this trade is because of the age difference. but if were serious about trying to win a title this year then we probably have to make this trade.

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    What about Trenton Hassel of Minny, I have kind of liked him. We don't really have anything they need though, except maybe Pollard.
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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    No, if were to do any trade with Minnesota I would want to get Troy Hudson.

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    I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but Marshall's contract expires after this season.

    Also, because of the disparity in salaries, wouldn't it have to be Fred and someone else for Marshall?

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    I would seriously doubt any deals will happen before we've had a chance to see how much of Ronnie's SF shoes that SJax can fill.

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    I'm not sure about this. Donyell's age scares me a bit, though he's an excellent player. Plus, when Reg retires and Ron comes back, we're left with only 1 SG, and a glut of SFs.

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Marshall's contract does expire after this season?

    I dont think this trade would put us over the top, so its essentially Fred for cap space...Pass.

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Eh, no. I don't believe this would help the team.
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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    This might improve our rebounding, but that is about it. And long-term it doesn't help.
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    Marshall is a good rebounder and an excellent three point shooter. He is decent at everything else. His best position is as a power forward who can cause matchup problems by shooting three pointers. Space the floor, sorta like Cro can.

    The thought of Marshall defending the good small forward in the NBA is a pipe dream. he simply cannot guard those type players. He is a power forward
    I'm one of Donyell's biggest fans - being able to see him play in Toronto for a while now.

    You are correct - he cannot guard the type of players at the 3 spot...but is actually a very underrated post defender. He really does a nice job on guys in the low post and can block shots down there - he has long arms.

    His offensive game is great as well - he works for offensive rebounds just as hard as a guy like Foster does. And he keeps the defense honest - as you have to respect his 3-point shot. He also has a nice baby hook from about 5-10 feet in.

    The thing is - his contract is over after this year. I'm just not sure this would be the move to put us over the top...

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Uh... lets not and say we did.
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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Oh - and I'm sure Kstat can attest to this...but Donyell always plays well against the Pistons

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    Default Re: How about a rumor: Fred and picks for Donyell Marshall

    Salary-wise, that makes no sense whatsoever. Marshal makes 3 times what Freddy makes, and comes off the cap at the end of the year. They can't get more cap room for him. To make sense to us, any deal would have to include Cro, which wouldn't make sense for them.

    I don't see it.

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