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    I was going to say something, but I think Joe is the only person allowed to post now.
    Just replying to different posts as I read through the thread, isn't that the point of a message board?

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    I always enjoy reading what West has to say. Pretty good article overall too

    Apologize of this quote has been posted elsewhere.

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/1...s=iref:nbahpts


    CHICAGO – Nine-and-0 was a lark, a hoot and a flag-planting of sorts for the Indiana Pacers, who made it clear through the first three weeks of 2013-14 how deadly serious they intended to be about this season.

    As for 9-1, where Indiana sits after its 110-94 drubbing by Chicago Saturday night at United Center, it doesn’t look appreciably different from that gaudy 9-0. But it is, if the Pacers want it to be. Instead of riding along on a wave of specialness that buoyed them and grabbed some spotlight as the NBA’s last unbeaten team, the Pacers now are grounded. Sober. They’ll report for work Monday like the blue-collar bunch they are, five months of Eastern Conference grit ‘n’ grind awaiting them.

    “There’s so much that we took away from [the streak] already,” guard Paul George said after his 3-of-14, 12-point performance. “I wouldn’t say it’s good – it’s never good to lose – but now it’s back to reality.”

    Said center Roy Hibbert: “One game. It wasn’t going to last forever. But to me, the season starts now. See how we handle adversity and bounce back. We haven’t been challenged like this. We have to show what we’re made of.”

    Look, the Pacers knew it was going to end and, if pressed for a guess, many of them might have picked Saturday. Both teams were playing the tail end of back-to-back sets, both teams had traveled (Chicago from Toronto, Indiana after a home game against Milwaukee). But the Bulls had home court to protect, had lost the first clash between the Central Division rivals by 17 on Nov. 6 and had their own mini-streak of three victories to extend.

    So they came out hot, hit 9 of their first 11 3-point shots, put up 60 points by halftime on the league’s No. 1 defensive club and cruised from there.

    There was nothing traumatic about Indiana kicking away a game, and maybe coach Frank Vogel truly hadn’t been craving a teachable moment amid all the winning. But he has one now, which can only serve the Pacers well as they chase and get chased by Miami, Chicago and presumably at some point, Brooklyn and New York.

    “It’s so early in the year,” forward David West said. “What I will say about tonight is that, if we don’t bring a certain level of IQ, a certain level of straightforwardness in terms of how we want to approach each and every game, we can beat teams like Milwaukee and whoever else playing a certain way but we can’t beat good teams. Especially in their buildings, playing undisciplined basketball, which I thought we did on the defensive end.”

    Losing one didn’t rock the Pacers’ world. But it did hit where it hurts for a club that draws its identity on defense.

    “I just thought they were too comfortable,” West said. “The ball was moving too frequently around the perimeter. [Derrick] Rose on one side, [Luol] Deng on the other side, back – it was just too much. We weren’t able to put a halt to their business, of forcing them into things that they were uncomfortable with.”

    There was a little testiness late, with Carlos Boozer and Chris Copeland tossed near the end of the final quarter less for shoving than to avoid lighting any fuses. The Bulls resent the Pacers’ ascension last season while Rose was out, the Pacers won’t yield an inch to Chicago or anyone else that wants to tilt at their title ambitions.

    George bristled a little when reminded about his comments after the Nov. 6 game, when he talked of the Pacers wanting to “step away from that shadow as the ‘little brothers’ of this division” and needled a little by telling NBA.com: “Their success is the Michael Jordan era. This is a new age, this is new team. It’s our till they take it.”

    “It was completely taken out of context,” George said. “What I meant by that is, I agree with what Derrick Rose said. It’s no rivalry. We haven’t won the championship. The team to beat is Miami. I mean, all that was just taken out of context.”

    Actually, it wasn’t taken out of context at all. But it was blown out of proportion by some who aren’t used to saucy talk coming out of Indianapolis.

    Nobody has won a thing yet, not even Miami if we’re talking strictly about the 2014 edition of the Larry O’Brien trophy. The next five months mostly will be about churning, and learning, and yearning, and the truest statement of the night came from Hibbert when he said, “We’ll see them again.”

    They’ll all see each other again, plenty, between now and springtime.

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    Default Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

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    Just replying to different posts as I read through the thread, isn't that the point of a message board?
    I don't think he meant it with any malice. It was just funny.
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    Nine game sample size vs. one game right now...
    It's a 10 game sample size.

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    Default Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

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    It's a 10 game sample size.
    The point being that you're making a much bigger deal out of the 1 loss than you are the 9 wins. If we win 90% of our games this year, and we get blown out every single 10th game against a contender, that would be a very successful season.
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    Default Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

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    Just replying to different posts as I read through the thread, isn't that the point of a message board?
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    I don't think he meant it with any malice. It was just funny.
    Ya I didn't have any thing of value to add so I just made a sarcastic comment instead. It was just funny he had 6 posts in a row.

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    The point being that you're making a much bigger deal out of the 1 loss than you are the 9 wins. If we win 90% of our games this year, and we get blown out every single 10th game against a contender, that would be a very successful season.
    I'll just counter that by saying that you're putting too much on the 9 wins and not enough on the one loss.

    And if the contenders are able to blow this team off the floor, that doesn't speak well for title hopes. I just think this one game shows that this is a young team. They got a little full of themselves and got B-slapped for it. The interesting thing to watch going forward is whether they learn from this or not. If this becomes a trend over the season, then I think we got problems come PO time.

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    Default Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

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    I'll just counter that by saying that you're putting too much on the 9 wins and not enough on the one loss.

    And if the contenders are able to blow this team off the floor, that doesn't speak well for title hopes. I just think this one game shows that this is a young team. They got a little full of themselves and got B-slapped for it. The interesting thing to watch going forward is whether they learn from this or not. If this becomes a trend over the season, then I think we got problems come PO time.
    The only way I could see that making any sense is if we played complete patsies for the first 9 games and then lost when we faced a real team. But that's not what happened. Even if you discount Memphis and Brooklyn as contenders, we are still 1-1 against contenders because we also beat Chicago. Winning 90% of our games is not sustainable; we were on a hot streak and we will lose some games that we're "supposed to win."

    We lost against a team that should be able to beat us probably about half the time in the regular season. Against "contenders" we are 1-1 and against teams at leats in the running for a playoff spot we are 6-1. (Chicago x2, Memphis, Detroit, Brooklyn, New Orleans, Cleveland). Cleveland and New Orleans may not grab a playoff spot, but I bet that they both do.

    It's also pretty important to note that even after the loss we still lead the league in point differential.
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    Default Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

    It's an 82 game season. Blowouts will happen to EVERYONE...including whomever eventually ends up being the NBA champion.

    Can't put too much stock into the one loss and can't really put too much stock into the 9 game winning streak. BUT...9 games of a certain outcome is definitely a larger sample size of 1 game of a completely different outcome.

    Edit: had we made any proclamations after 10 games last year, most of us would have been VERY wrong.
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    Default Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

    The 72-10 Chicago Bulls lost to the Knicks 104-72. Just and FYI.

    In the playoffs against Seattle they lost one game 107-86.
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    Yes we hate the bulls. But the ultimate price is the larry obrien trophy.

    If we reach the playoffs we may play them or not.

    But the next game against the bulls this regular season i do hope we remember this game and thrash them.

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    It's a 10 game sample size.
    Then what are you upset about? They have won 9 of those 10 games by a double digit average while playing defense at a record breaking pace.

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    Default Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

    This is the first loss and the first televised game in my country. I was so pumped that finally after that lackluster preseason game here in Manila, I will be able to see my team play again on national tv, only to be disappointed as it was their first loss this season. Of course, I am still positive with this team. Losing is inevitable. Like everyone said, we just have to move on and look forward to the new streak.

    I still believe that this is our year. Go Pacers!!!!
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    Default Re: Postgame against bulls. 11/16/2013. Its just the first lost in a regular season 82 games

    It's the first ding on the new car. Had to happen sooner or later. Move on; enjoy the new wheels.
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