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    As the nuggets have kind of became a distant favorite team for me, I'm disgusted with the way they've been managed for the past 2 years.
    If they just did absolutely nothing following the Melo trade they'd still have Afflalo and Nene plus an additional 1st round pick. Fans in Colorado aren't happy right now. I like Shaw but I think he was quickly dealt a crap hand once he landed the job.
    They don't need Shump with Chandler coming back this week and Danny G due back by the end of the month and Faried brings an energy that's hard to find. Seeing what the Nuggets have done to a promising core makes me appreciate Bird that much more.

    The New York Knicks continue to engage in talks with the Denver Nuggets about a potentialIman Shumpert-for-Kenneth Faried trade, according to sources close to the process.
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    But sources told ESPN.com that multiple teams have approached the Knicks with interest in Shumpert and said New York remains undecided about whether to trade its coveted perimeter defensive specialist.
    The New York Daily News reported earlier Wednesday that Shumpert-for-Faried talks "have intensified" but added that no deal was imminent.
    The Knicks clearly have a huge need on the front line in the wake of the fractured fibula suffered by center Tyson Chandler. New York's defensive anchor will be sidelined for at least a month and the Knicks, like many teams in the league, are known to be fans of Faried.
    Yet it's believed that Denver is also seeking draft compensation in addition to Shumpert in exchange for Faried, who averaged 11.5 points and 9.2 rebounds in 2012-13, his second season as a pro. That could prove to be too high a price for the Knicks, who would prefer not to part with Shumpert but understand he is by far their most attractive trade asset.
    The Knicks need rebounding with Chandler out and seem prepared to rely on J.R. Smith, rookie Tim Hardaway Jr. and perhaps even a veteran such as Beno Udrih in a pinch to fill the void if they decide Shumpert must be moved to address the frontcourt need

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    Default Re: Nuggets look to trade Faried for Shumpert

    Seems like a lateral move at best
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    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/stor...h-faried-trade

    As the nuggets have kind of became a distant favorite team for me, I'm disgusted with the way they've been managed for the past 2 years.
    If they just did absolutely nothing following the Melo trade they'd still have Afflalo and Nene plus an additional 1st round pick. Fans in Colorado aren't happy right now. I like Shaw but I think he was quickly dealt a crap hand once he landed the job.
    They don't need Shump with Chandler coming back this week and Danny G due back by the end of the month and Faried brings an energy that's hard to find. Seeing what the Nuggets have done to a promising core makes me appreciate Bird that much more.

    The New York Knicks continue to engage in talks with the Denver Nuggets about a potentialIman Shumpert-for-Kenneth Faried trade, according to sources close to the process.
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    But sources told ESPN.com that multiple teams have approached the Knicks with interest in Shumpert and said New York remains undecided about whether to trade its coveted perimeter defensive specialist.
    The New York Daily News reported earlier Wednesday that Shumpert-for-Faried talks "have intensified" but added that no deal was imminent.
    The Knicks clearly have a huge need on the front line in the wake of the fractured fibula suffered by center Tyson Chandler. New York's defensive anchor will be sidelined for at least a month and the Knicks, like many teams in the league, are known to be fans of Faried.
    Yet it's believed that Denver is also seeking draft compensation in addition to Shumpert in exchange for Faried, who averaged 11.5 points and 9.2 rebounds in 2012-13, his second season as a pro. That could prove to be too high a price for the Knicks, who would prefer not to part with Shumpert but understand he is by far their most attractive trade asset.
    The Knicks need rebounding with Chandler out and seem prepared to rely on J.R. Smith, rookie Tim Hardaway Jr. and perhaps even a veteran such as Beno Udrih in a pinch to fill the void if they decide Shumpert must be moved to address the frontcourt need
    The Nuggets are top heavy with Wing Players and Guards......adding Shumpert makes total sense . I assume that some of the Wing Players will be going to NY. But Shumpert can make sense for Shaw's smashmouth defense that he maybe mirroring to Vogel's defense.
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    The Nuggets are top heavy with Wing Players and Guards......adding Shumpert makes total sense. I assume that some of the Wing Players will be going to NY.
    They're top heavy with sf's if healthy I guess. They need Faried at the 4 more then they need Shumpert.

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    Seems like a lateral move at best
    Lateral move in terms of trade value....but trading a perimeter defending Wingman for a half-man/half-beast Manimal Frontcourt Player isn't exactly a Lateral Move.
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    Don't like the idea of the Knicks w/ Faried, I think they could be very good with him. If I'm the Knicks, I'd say Shumpert and a lottery protected 14 first round pick for Faried, and if they do it jump for joy. I don't really like what Shaw has done so far with his rotations and ideas in Denver, can only be smash mouth if you got those players.

    If there were any sort of realistic way for the Pacers to get Faried I would jump all over it, but no way that happens lol, unless they want Solomon Hill + OJ (or Copeland lol). Shouldn't worry about it too much as Pacers are stacked big time to make a move, but Faried is a beast.
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    They're top heavy with sf's if healthy I guess. They need Faried at the 4 more then they need Shumpert.
    Yeah....and they already have Wilson Chandler coming back, don't they have Jordan Crawford as well? they have Nate, they have Fournier....and a whole platoon of Guards and Forwards.
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    Shump can play. Good trade for Denver. Who knows how Shump could develop without two ball dominant swing players
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    The interesting thing about this trade to me is the value of the players involved. Both Shumpert and Faried are evidently valued around the league higher than they are valued by their own teams. That should be a red light to anyone trying to get either of these guys. If the teams that have them already don't want to keep them, then there are things wrong with them that don't immediately reach the eyes.

    Once Danny returns, for example, neither of these guys would make the Pacer rotation. And it's 50/50 that Shumpert would make the Pacer rotation in place of OJ even if Danny didn't make it back.

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    I like Shumpert, but this would be a heist by the Knicks.

    Felton/Smith/Melo/Faried/Chandler (when healthy) with a few actual bench players puts a lot more fear into me. I don't see West or Scola being able to guard the Manimal well in a playoff series.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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    The interesting thing about this trade to me is the value of the players involved. Both Shumpert and Faried are evidently valued around the league higher than they are valued by their own teams. That should be a red light to anyone trying to get either of these guys. If the teams that have them already don't want to keep them, then there are things wrong with them that don't immediately reach the eyes.

    Once Danny returns, for example, neither of these guys would make the Pacer rotation. And it's 50/50 that Shumpert would make the Pacer rotation in place of OJ even if Danny didn't make it back.
    I'd say it's more the Nuggets are being run pretty incompetently atm from GM down, and the Knicks are desperate for a big.
    "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

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    i actually think part of the nuggets problem is Shaw. I've watched a couple of nuggets games and they should be a running team. Their offense is so bad right now

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    I'd say it's more the Nuggets are being run pretty incompetently atm from GM down, and the Knicks are desperate for a big.
    It's beyond belief how every move they've made in the past 2 years has backfired. Like I said if they did no trades at all following the Melo trade they'd have a good young core that would have grown together with a really good bench. IMO they'd be challenging for the Spurs and Thunder for west.
    Moving Faried for Shump would be a terrible trade for Denver that would also lose a lot of fans. Faried is a fan favorite in Denver due to his effort.

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    i actually think part of the nuggets problem is Shaw. I've watched a couple of nuggets games and they should be a running team. Their offense is so bad right now
    He's not going to last very long trying to play to play smashmouth basketball with that roster. Maybe there was a reason so many teams didn't hire him.
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    He's not going to last very long trying to play to play smashmouth basketball with that roster. Maybe there was a reason so many teams didn't hire him.
    And if they really trade Faried for a guy like Shumpert it's going to be an even worse philosophical fit.

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    And if they really trade Faried for a guy like Shumpert it's going to be an even worse philosophical fit.
    I mean, don't you have to have a running team in Denver? That's the biggest regular season home court advantage in the league.

    Denver was really good last season. I thought they had a chance at the Finals if Gallinari hadn't gotten hurt.
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    I mean, don't you have to have a running team in Denver? That's the biggest regular season home court advantage in the league.

    Denver was really good last season. I thought they had a chance at the Finals if Gallinari hadn't gotten hurt.
    I went to a Nuggets board to see what they were thinking of Shaw, they're not very impressed to put it lightly. I'm not either. It's one thing for a coach to have a philosophy but it can't be so rigid. It's still early and all, don't want to make any concrete declarations, but maybe Shaw's just better as an assistant, a "player relations" type guy.

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    Faried has no defense, he just really athletic, also his defense is way overrated.

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    Shaw has to change the culture a bit, they don't have anyone who really focuses in on D. Who are they gonna beat in the West this year if they made the playoffs? Are they gonna out score the Clippers or Warriors? They gonna out tough the Timberwolves? Out execute the Spurs? Answer to all that is a big whooping no at this point.

    Amazing thing is that a player like Faried should be able to thrive in a Defensive focused team, but he hasn't looked up to the challenge so far.
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    No. They have Jordan Hamilton. Jordan Crawford plays for the Celtics.
    Ehh....Jordan Hamilton, Jordan Crawford, Michael Jordan....close enough.
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    I'd give Shaw some time. He'll learn and hopefully make some adjustments.

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    Faried has no defense, he just really athletic, also his defense is way overrated.
    I have no idea of his defense because he's only played on offense oriented teams only, and has played with mediocre centers at best.

    He can average a double double easy, and I think on the right defense oriented team (like the Knicks or Pacers), he'd be much better. I was worried about (and still am at time) Luis Scola's defense but so far he's been decent.
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    Woj says Denver turned down the deal. Can't say I blame them.

    As to Shaw and smashmouth basketball in Denver... I think it's hard to draw conclusions yet. His 2 best wings (Gallo and Chandler) are out with no one else stepping up. And he apparently has a management directive to start McGee. With McGee out too, let's see if Shaw can put together a workable big man rotation out of Mozgov, Hickson, and Faried. Still need to find some decent wing play, though.

    It's true though that Shaw's not showing an ability to adapt so far. Maybe he's intent on establishing an identity first

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