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    When someone post a stat saying...



    How is that not making it seem like Danny alone made the difference?
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    When someone post a stat saying...



    How is that not making it seem like Danny alone made the difference?
    Because it should be well known that one player is never making the difference alone in a team sport.

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    Yes it is a fact that we've been better since Danny came back but it is a coincidence that we've been better since Danny came back. It has more to do with PG and playing weaker teams. Danny deserves zero credit for that stat, he's the Forrest Gump of basketball right now, he just happened to be there when something special happened but it has nothing to do with him individually.

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    bull ****, every player that has logged minutes deserves some credit for that stat.

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    Default Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

    Yeah, since this guy returned to the line up we have been better. But it has nothing to do with him!!!!

    How can you even say that?

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    Yes it is a fact that we've been better since Danny came back but it is a coincidence that we've been better since Danny came back. It has more to do with PG and playing weaker teams. Danny deserves zero credit for that stat, he's the Forrest Gump of basketball right now, he just happened to be there when something special happened but it has nothing to do with him individually.
    So, you don't believe that he has helped our bench?
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    Yes it is a fact that we've been better since Danny came back but it is a coincidence that we've been better since Danny came back. It has more to do with PG and playing weaker teams.
    Come on, dude, this would have been more effective if it wasn't less than 12 hours after PG's clunker of a night.

    Are you really arguing that the bench is as good with OJ or Solomon as it is with Danny? That the bench hasn't really improved?
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    Also we scored 104 tonight with PG struggling and no starter scoring 20+.
    all of our starters were id double digits which helped
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    Yes it is a fact that we've been better since Danny came back but it is a coincidence that we've been better since Danny came back. It has more to do with PG and playing weaker teams. Danny deserves zero credit for that stat, he's the Forrest Gump of basketball right now, he just happened to be there when something special happened but it has nothing to do with him individually.
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    Weaker schedule my ***. I wouldn't be surprised if with the exception of Portland, OKC, and the Spurs if our schedule since Danny's return has actually been tougher. Prior to playing those three we had a pretty damn weak SOS in which we scored 100+ only once. Those three games were three of the games we scored 100+ in. So hey, apparently the better the competition we play the more likely we are to score 100+ points.

    I do not think it is coincidence that Danny's return marks a significant increase in points scored, and Lance going from being in the conversation of MIP to being in the conversation of being an All-Star. His presence alone has had a huge impact on the bench, and how defenses play when he is on the court. If you watch closely you will notice that defenders will rarely leave Danny to contest a wide open 3 pointer from another player, no matter who that player is (except for Paul). Lance is no longer being guarded by SF's, but instead by smaller SG's allowing him to use his strength as an even bigger advantage. On average he is scoring just under twice as much as Orlando was.

    Danny isn't some Joe Schmoe NBA player, he is a former all-star, former top 5 scorer. By the end of the season he will most likely be back to the point where he could lead the team in scoring if asked to.

    Let me put it this way.

    Granger: On Court = +9.7 Off Court = +8.1 Net = +1.6
    Butler: On Court = -5.4 Off Court = +10.5 Net = -14.7
    Orlando: On Court = +0.6 Off Court = +9.9 Net = -9.3
    Solo: On Court = +0.6 Off Court = +9.0 Net = -8.4
    Granger has an advantage of +16.3, +10.9, and +10.0 over all three of the guys he replaced.

    For comparison with the starter with the most similar numbers.
    Stephenson: On Court = +8.9 Off Court = +7.2 Net = +1.8

    Granger is the only bench player with a positive net score. Scola is -5.5 and Watson -3.9. At the same time Danny's production Net, which only takes into account his production, is -0.7. This suggests that while Danny himself might not always be playing great, his presence has a positive affect on the players around him.

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    all of our starters were id double digits which helped
    Wrong. Danny deserves all the praise and glory. Amen.

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    Weaker schedule my ***. I wouldn't be surprised if with the exception of Portland, OKC, and the Spurs if our schedule since Danny's return has actually been tougher. Prior to playing those three we had a pretty damn weak SOS in which we scored 100+ only once. Those three games were three of the games we scored 100+ in. So hey, apparently the better the competition we play the more likely we are to score 100+ points.

    I do not think it is coincidence that Danny's return marks a significant increase in points scored, and Lance going from being in the conversation of MIP to being in the conversation of being an All-Star. His presence alone has had a huge impact on the bench, and how defenses play when he is on the court. If you watch closely you will notice that defenders will rarely leave Danny to contest a wide open 3 pointer from another player, no matter who that player is (except for Paul). Lance is no longer being guarded by SF's, but instead by smaller SG's allowing him to use his strength as an even bigger advantage. On average he is scoring just under twice as much as Orlando was.

    Danny isn't some Joe Schmoe NBA player, he is a former all-star, former top 5 scorer. By the end of the season he will most likely be back to the point where he could lead the team in scoring if asked to.

    Let me put it this way.

    Granger: On Court = +9.7 Off Court = +8.1 Net = +1.6
    Butler: On Court = -5.4 Off Court = +10.5 Net = -14.7
    Orlando: On Court = +0.6 Off Court = +9.9 Net = -9.3
    Solo: On Court = +0.6 Off Court = +9.0 Net = -8.4
    Granger has an advantage of +16.3, +10.9, and +10.0 over all three of the guys he replaced.

    For comparison with the starter with the most similar numbers.
    Stephenson: On Court = +8.9 Off Court = +7.2 Net = +1.8

    Granger is the only bench player with a positive net score. Scola is -5.5 and Watson -3.9. At the same time Danny's production Net, which only takes into account his production, is -0.7. This suggests that while Danny himself might not always be playing great, his presence has a positive affect on the players around him.
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    Danny isn't some Joe Schmoe NBA player, he is a former all-star, former top 5 scorer. By the end of the season he will most likely be back to the point where he could lead the team in scoring if asked to.
    I'm telling you this is the dream, for Danny to come back to the player he was (which wasn't great) and snatch the franchise back from PG. You guys would love for that to happen.

    The only tough teams we've played since Danny returned was the Rockets, Warriors and the Suns if you want to throw them in there. Danny has scored a combined 14 points in those three games I guarantee you Butler could have gotten 14 points in those three games and maybe even more.

    Before Danny came back we played the Bulls (twice), Heat (twice), along with the West Coast trip in which we played the top 4 teams in that conference. You still want to argue we've had a harder schedule since Danny came back?

    The things no on can argue is that we weren't scoring 100 when PG went through a stretch of "bad" games then it started up again when he had the big night against the Kings, where was Danny's impact during that stretch? Like I said Danny is the Forrest Gump of basketball when it comes to that stat. Forrest Gump was accidentally there when some of the most defining moments in American history happened, same with Danny he just happened to be there when good things started happening.

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    I'm telling you this is the dream, for Danny to come back to the player he was (which wasn't great) and snatch the franchise back from PG. You guys would love for that to happen.
    Are you actually reading what people are saying? "could lead the team in scoring if asked to" does not quite equal "snatch the franchise back from PG".

    I have a real problem with the idea that the only way to argue with an interpretation that Danny is somehow responsible for 100+ points games is to counter-argue that he contributes nothing on the floor but a familiar face. Why is there no in between around here?
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    Are you actually reading what people are saying? "could lead the team in scoring if asked to" does not quite equal "snatch the franchise back from PG".

    I have a real problem with the idea that the only way to argue with an interpretation that Danny is somehow responsible for 100+ points games is to counter-argue that he contributes nothing on the floor but a familiar face. Why is there no in between around here?
    For someone to even believe that Danny could do that this year is delusional and is living in the past.

    If Danny is the reason for this his part in this equation is so small that it might as well not even be mentioned at all. If Butler got the same opportunity Granger has had you could say the same about him.

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    For someone to even believe that Danny could do that this year is delusional and is living in the past.

    If Danny is the reason for this his part in this equation is so small that it might as well not even be mentioned at all. If Butler got the same opportunity Granger has had you could say the same about him.
    Did Danny beat up your dog or something? Did someone mug you once while wearing a Granger jersey?

    Essentially, this all boils down to Rasual Butler being as good or better than Danny in your mind, right?
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    Did Danny beat up your dog or something? Did someone mug you once while wearing a Granger jersey?

    Essentially, this all boils down to Rasual Butler being as good or better than Danny in your mind, right?
    No, it's about plugging in a guy that won't air ball open three point shots and layups. Butler is money from 2 and is a more reliable 3 point shooter than Danny. Even Danny said he has been struggling so far since his comeback, why don't Danny's words mean anything to y'all?

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    No, it's about plugging in a guy that won't air ball open three point shots and layups. Butler is money from 2 and is a more reliable 3 point shooter than Danny. Even Danny said he has been struggling so far since his comeback, why don't Danny's words mean anything to y'all?
    Why do Danny's words mean he'll never get better? And how do they compare on defense?

    There's a lot more here than just "hey, Butler shoots 50% in 5 minutes per game. He must be better than everyone on the bench - well, better than Danny for sure!"
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    Danny has potential to be a true difference maker off the bench vs Miami. Every minute Danny plays is basically practice for the eventual Miami series. Basically DG's regular season is an extended preseason. I like Butler, but I don't trust him in the ECF
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    No, it's about plugging in a guy that won't air ball open three point shots and layups. Butler is money from 2 and is a more reliable 3 point shooter than Danny. Even Danny said he has been struggling so far since his comeback, why don't Danny's words mean anything to y'all?
    Yeah, a guy that's been out for an entire year is going to do some awful things on a basketball court. He's also doing stuff that none of our reserves have done. How many of them can we post up and expect points? Hell, I don't even think he's made a shot out of the post yet, but he's still been passing the ball well and drawing fouls which is more than our other guys did. I don't think Danny's been good, but he's far and away our best option as a third wing, I can't possibly imagine how you could think otherwise.

    btw, the team seems to think he was a pretty important contributor to all the blow outs.
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    Why do Danny's words mean he'll never get better? And how do they compare on defense?

    There's a lot more here than just "hey, Butler shoots 50% in 5 minutes per game. He must be better than everyone on the bench - well, better than Danny for sure!"
    You must have not read what I said...

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    If Butler got the same opportunity Granger has had you could say the same about him.
    Meaning if Butler got the same playing time Granger has had that stat could very well be about him.

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    Danny has potential to be a true difference maker off the bench vs Miami. Every minute Danny plays is basically practice for the eventual Miami series. Basically DG's regular season is an extended preseason. I like Butler, but I don't trust him in the ECF
    Post like this is why I say there is a bias for certain players on this board. Nobody in PD history gets more excuses than Danny, he shoots under 40% for most of the 2011-2012 season we're told he always starts slow and he'll turn it around granted he barely did but, how is a guy making 12 million a year allowed to take off in November, December, January and February then show up in March and April and be beloved so much? Now everything is practice until the ECF, oh Lord.

    A player who shall not be named is currently shooting 45% and in the game threads people keep saying he goes on shooting slumps too often.

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    It's been nice Danny...

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    A player who shall not be named is currently shooting 45% and in the game threads people keep saying he goes on shooting slumps too often.
    Dude, look at this thread. YOU are the one who was talking about Paul George being in a slump. Not "people." YOU.

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    Notice during PG's funk we didn't hit 100 once. The Kings game is when PG got out of his funk
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    Why weren't we scoring 100 during PG's bad stretch? PG's string on bad games started Jan 1st
    Don't complain about people bringing up PG's slump when you're the only one bringing it up.
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    Can this thread die now? It's on page 33 and I don't think anything constructive will come out of here at this point.

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