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  • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

    At what point does the insurance take over his salary? Could he come back at the tail end of the season and the playoffs without the Pacers losing the insurance money? If he hangs on until the trade deadline then retires, would he still be considered a member of the team and get a ring if we win the Championship? These are questions for the team accountant to worry about. Personally, I would really like to see 33 back on the floor, soon.

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    • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

      Originally posted by hoopsforlife View Post
      I am of the opinion if Danny Granger would return right now, it would upset the chemistry of the team and cause some unnecessary losses.
      I don't understand that at all. He's going to take up the minutes that either Solomon Hill or Chris Copeland is getting at backup SF when he first comes back. How on earth is that going to make things worse?

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        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
        I don't understand that at all. He's going to take up the minutes that either Solomon Hill or Chris Copeland is getting at backup SF when he first comes back. How on earth is that going to make things worse?
        As long as he's 100% fine and content with that role, and physically recovered enough to be as good or better than those players in that role, then I don't see how his return would make things worse necessarily. OTOH, I'm not exactly sure Granger would be fine with that role for any length... or considering the rust and slowness of the return, whether he'd actually be better than those guys at this point. Of course as long as it's just rust then that should work itself out just leaving the question of whether Danny will remain fine that with that type of role. And whether any existing players take sides. Let's remember, it's not just Granger that would be affected by his return. You could always have a situation where a hobbled Granger taking minutes away from a player or two might cause issues with those players that causes issues to grow from that with the lockerroom taking sides. He wouldn't necessarily even have to be hobbled for that to occur...
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
          So he is 30 not 31.

          Right. But my point is that he will be 31 by the time the most important games of the season are played.

          Regardless, I don't see how him being healthy in his 20's is all that relevant right now.

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          • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

            I guess, I can sort of see how Danny could cause "chemistry issues," but it'd be more figuring out how to work him in, not some personality clash or anything. But really, other than Roy and PG because they were rookies when Danny was the man, no one else on the roster has ever really deferred to him. Yeah, they played against Danny in his prime, but they never played with him as option 1A, West somewhat I suppose.'
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            Anyway, my only worry, and it's really not one, but the only problem I could foresee is a few of the guys wanting to get Danny shots because they like him and remember what he was (and obviously hopefully will be again). If his ceiling the rest of the way is a 15-20 mpg spot shooter I'm fine with that, but it'll take some time for all the guys to realize that, Danny included. But I don't really see why that's a "problem," it's not like Danny's going to start a fist fight with PG over touches or something. It's not about chemistry, it's about finding out what Danny is now.

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            • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              I don't understand that at all. He's going to take up the minutes that either Solomon Hill or Chris Copeland is getting at backup SF when he first comes back. How on earth is that going to make things worse?
              Probably because he was better than Gerald Green and Sam Young when he came back last season, but we stunk to start the season after it was thought he'd play all preseason, and then we stunk again (going 2-4) in the 6 games after he sat back out last season.

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              • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                I'm not concerned about chemistry issues until that presents itself. An 80% Granger is a player I want coming off the bench instead of OJ and Solomon Hill. Nothing more and nothing less.

                I don't believe for a second he should start and upset that situation. Should he take a few minutes from Lance and Paul too? Sure, that's fine. But I want him in the back seat, not the front seat. I want guys who I really believe are going to be available...that I can really rely on to be there...in June to be "the guys". The reason? You only have so many shots at a championship.

                With Thanksgiving in the rear view mirror...to me...Granger is the gravy...perhaps a nice helping of gravy...up to 25 mpg if he's healthy. So he can mix with the main course. But he's not the main course. He can be the appetizer or dessert. But only Lance can be the turkey...

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                • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                  FYI... this calf strain happened Oct 16th (aggravated on the 18th). It's Nov 28th now. So 3 weeks is far in the rear view mirror. He has completed 6 weeks and started on the 7th.


                  INDIANAPOLIS — Indiana Pacers small forward Danny Granger will be out about three weeks as the NBA regular season commences with a strained left calf, the team announced Monday morning.

                  Granger, who missed most of last season with a left knee injury, played in five preseason games. He sat out the final three preseason games. The three-week timeline relates only to the calf injury, not the knee injury, the team said in a news release.

                  POWER RANKINGS: Pacers near the top

                  KRAVITZ: When Granger's healthy, start him

                  "The length of time is a precautionary measure as the team wants to ensure Granger is physically ready to play in light of missing all but five games last season due to his knee injury," the news release said.

                  Granger strained the calf Oct. 16, his first start of the preseason, while jumping against the Dallas Mavericks.

                  Granger described the calf as feeling "tight," although he initially believed that he could continue playing. Before the Pacers played in Chicago on Oct. 18, Granger had an MRI. The results were negative. Granger, however, aggravated the injury in Chicago.
                  http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...diana/3286111/
                  Last edited by Bball; 11-29-2013, 12:07 AM.
                  Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                  "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                  -John Wooden

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                  • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                    Originally posted by Bball View Post
                    FYI... this calf strain happened Oct 16th (aggravated on the 18th). It's Nov 28th now. So 3 weeks is far in the rear view mirror. He has completed 6 weeks and started on the 7th.
                    They said "3 more weeks" after he had already missed three weeks. He was expected to start practicing this past week.

                    And for others in the thread, Danny, Vogel, and CBuckner have all said it's not the knee.
                    This space for rent.

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                    • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                      Originally posted by Bball View Post
                      As long as he's 100% fine and content with that role, and physically recovered enough to be as good or better than those players in that role, then I don't see how his return would make things worse necessarily. OTOH, I'm not exactly sure Granger would be fine with that role for any length... or considering the rust and slowness of the return, whether he'd actually be better than those guys at this point. Of course as long as it's just rust then that should work itself out just leaving the question of whether Danny will remain fine that with that type of role. And whether any existing players take sides. Let's remember, it's not just Granger that would be affected by his return. You could always have a situation where a hobbled Granger taking minutes away from a player or two might cause issues with those players that causes issues to grow from that with the lockerroom taking sides. He wouldn't necessarily even have to be hobbled for that to occur...
                      Lets be honest for a second.

                      Its not like there is great chemistry to disrupt in the second unit. Whenever our bench is on the floor, as improved as they are, I am just hoping they can maintain the lead.

                      Example: Every second quarter we have played this season.

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                      • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                        Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                        They said "3 more weeks" after he had already missed three weeks. He was expected to start practicing this past week.

                        And for others in the thread, Danny, Vogel, and CBuckner have all said it's not the knee.
                        But this ignores that the issue is now into worst case territory. He was expected to start practicing... and didn't...
                        You can start the clock whenever you want, but to see how long the injury is lingering you have to go back to when it happened. If the normal rehab/healing time is 3-6 weeks... we're past the worst case of that window.

                        I'd have to say it's getting pretty discouraging that it's taken this long and it has to start to make people wonder. Meanwhile, the team keeps winning and developing without Granger in the picture.

                        As BnG says, if he can come back at some point it's gravy. But OTOH, he's just not that important now and I'm far more interested in that championship then trying to find legacy minutes for Granger. If he can bring something to that quest great... but that quest isn't hurting right now just the way things are.
                        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                        -John Wooden

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                        • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                          Honestly, I kinda want Danny to just be out for the year so everybody'll shut the **** up and start enjoying being the best team in the league. This is the best Pacers team in NBA history and people're complaining.

                          Danny comes back and contributes? Gravy, we're even better. He can't? That sucks, but won't appreciate him any less.

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                          • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                            Danny Gravy, I really like that perspective, Mr White.

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                            • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                              Honestly, I kinda want Danny to just be out for the year so everybody'll shut the **** up and start enjoying being the best team in the league. This is the best Pacers team in NBA history and people're complaining.

                              Danny comes back and contributes? Gravy, we're even better. He can't? That sucks, but won't appreciate him any less.
                              You know, I think that the folks who are important, the Pacers fans themselves, ARE enjoying the Pacers being the best team in the league. Despite our internal squabbles.

                              If constant talk nationally about Danny Granger coming back removes a little of the talk/attention towards our record and position in the league, I think that might even be a good thing. Maybe it even removes some of the pressure off the players.

                              Or, maybe it even provides the current players a driving force to be better. "Oh, everybody's saying how good we could actually be once Danny returns, then we guess we will have to prove just how good we can be right now, even without him."

                              It's hard to say how having one of your best players unavailable can work. I think at times it can work both ways... For and against you.

                              Despite the disagreements we have here on the forum, I find it hard to believe that Granger's absence is affecting the team in a (psychologically) negative way.

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                              • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

                                Originally posted by Speed View Post
                                Danny Gravy, I really like that perspective, Mr White.
                                Goes well with Mrs White's green beans.

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