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Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

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  • Re: BREAKING NEWS: DG has called himself a chucker

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    So are you saying that he was a chucker? I'll be waiting for the answer
    For those capable of understanding the difference, his JOB (sic) was to be a chucker, so he acted as one. For those who see the world as all or nothing, since he CAN and COULD do things other than just chuck up shots, no, he himself is not a chucker no matter what he might or might not have said.

    But, fine, the narrative has now moved to people implying that even in his prime Danny would have been a bench player at best on this team, which has gone beyond silly.

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    • Re: BREAKING NEWS: DG has called himself a chucker

      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
      As a guy who really likes both players, I'm kinda shocked that Danny's assist numbers are as close to PG's as they are. Danny had 2.7 APG, Paul had 3.6 APG?

      Who the heck was Danny passing to?

      That 08-09 Pacer team was actually 5th in the NBA in scoring at 105.1 PPG. The problem is that we gave up 106.2 PPG.

      http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/te...game/year/2009

      Ford, Muprhy, Daniels, and Jack all averaged double figures in addition to Granger. Dunleavy did too, but he only played a tiny amount of games because of injury.

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      • Re: BREAKING NEWS: DG has called himself a chucker

        Originally posted by BillS View Post
        For those capable of understanding the difference, his JOB (sic) was to be a chucker, so he acted as one. For those who see the world as all or nothing, since he CAN and COULD do things other than just chuck up shots, no, he himself is not a chucker no matter what he might or might not have said.
        So you are admitting that he was a chucker(wow) but then you are saying that he was forced to be a chucker under JOB, interesting take.

        Now the question is if he was forced to be a chucker under JOB how come he was still a chucker under Vogel?
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        • Re: BREAKING NEWS: DG has called himself a chucker

          Originally posted by Anthem View Post
          As a guy who really likes both players, I'm kinda shocked that Danny's assist numbers are as close to PG's as they are. Danny had 2.7 APG, Paul had 3.6 APG?

          Who the heck was Danny passing to?
          Obviously himself.
          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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          • Re: BREAKING NEWS: DG has called himself a chucker

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            So you are admitting that he was a chucker(wow) but then you are saying that he was forced to be a chucker under JOB, interesting take.

            Now the question is if he was forced to be a chucker under JOB how come he was still a chucker under Vogel?
            I don't think that's any new revelation--JOB's offense gave Danny the perpetual green light, and he took a lot of ill-advised shots as a result.

            As for your second question, I think Danny just got so used to the role of being the only really dependable scorer on this team that he kept up the habit. The last time he was healthy, Roy was an inconsistent offensive option (and really, still is), PG obviously wasn't what he is now, Lance wasn't even dressing for games...I mean he still was the alpha dog and we still needed him to score. That's why his reintroduction to the lineup will be so interesting. He will be forced to play a supporting role as opposed to carrying the load. It's another reason I think coming off the bench will be better for him, in case he does revert back into chucker mode.

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            • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

              What I hope to see from Danny is timely offense, better defense than OJ, rebound, mental toughness and some passion.
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              • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                I'm not going to trash Granger. He played very hard for the Pacers for a long time and was an entertaining player to watch on an otherwise cesspool of a team with a hideous coach. And then he was the best scorer on a Pacer team that won 63% of its games in the 11-12 season. His career has been clouded by some very bad luck in that he came of age with the likes of Murphy/Dunleavy/Ford/Tinsley/Daniels, and then he had to deal with a brutal injury at a relatively young age. He played hard for the Pacers for a long time and deserved better fortune.

                Now, I do think that the harsh realities of professional sports will make it virtually impossible to keep him beyond this season. But just because he isn't a top player for us anymore doesn't mean that I'm going to trash him and act like he didn't used to be really good. He was a damn solid player and I do think that his professionalism and leadership were instrumental for the young guys. Here's to hoping he can come back and carve out a nice role on this team and have a nice finish to his Pacer career. Lord knows we could use a legitimate wing off of the bench.

                Also, DG was a much needed classy personality for the Pacers after all of the unlikable a-holes we had in the mid 2000's.
                Last edited by Sollozzo; 12-20-2013, 10:51 AM.

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                • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                  If Danny does return to the floor tonight I won't be expecting a lot out of him. He's going to be beyond rusty and hopefully there won't be too much complaining.
                  Last edited by Handoverfist; 12-20-2013, 10:58 AM.

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                  • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                    Its hard for me to imagine that he can't at least provide us what pulp or Solo was giving us.... that isn't asking for much. Anything more than that is just gravy.

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                    • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                      It sounds like we won't have any problem keeping Granger for vet minimum, since he's a chucker who never played defense or offense, was never more than a 6th man if he hadn't played for the worst team in the league and will be lucky to be able to play as well as the 15th guy on a championship team.
                      BillS

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                      • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                        Originally posted by BillS View Post
                        It sounds like we won't have any problem keeping Granger for vet minimum, since he's a chucker who never played defense or offense, was never more than a 6th man if he hadn't played for the worst team in the league and will be lucky to be able to play as well as the 15th guy on a championship team.
                        I would like to remind you that he called himself a chucker so get mad at him for saying it, so how about responding my previous post?
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                        • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          I would like to remind you that he called himself a chucker so get mad at him for saying it, so how about responding my previous post?
                          Paul Pierce can call himself LeBron James but it doesn't make him MVP.

                          I know that your point is that you interpret this as Danny saying he was never anything but a 3-point shooter. I don't agree with that even if he says it. I know YOU agree with it, though, so that answer is probably not acceptable.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                            I mean we really don't know for sure what Danny said. Broussard does not actually quote him and it is a tweet for crying out loud. God why am I back in here.


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                            • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                              Having admitted to being a pretty solid Danny Granger fan since seeing him play at UNM, I will admit that I didn't know he was so useless as a pro. Seemed to me that DG and the less talented group that replaced the winningest team in Pacer history held their own for a long time until the team finally imploded. I would hope that Danny comes back, plays decently and contributes to an ECF Championship and a Finals appearance. After that, it would not surprise me to see him retire. Danny has homes in LA, Albq and Indy. He has young children and a pretty close knit family, IIRC. Doubt he would put himself at risk to stay in the league for MLE on a new team(other than the Lakers) or strain the finances of the Pacers to stay here. Maybe coaching in the future? Asst. to Vogel? I just wish him the best for this year and the help I feel he can give the Pacers for the playoff run.

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                              • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                I would like to remind you that he called himself a chucker so get mad at him for saying it, so how about responding my previous post?
                                You haven't provided a quote where he calls himself a chucker. Quotes have quotation marks, the tweet you're trying to use doesn't have any.
                                Last edited by Since86; 12-20-2013, 12:15 PM.
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