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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

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  • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    I think his ability to dribble, for a starting small forward, is below average in the league. His ability to pass (which is extremely important for a wing) is at best average for a starting small forward. His defense is probably average for a small forward. It would be above average if he had stamina and/or showed the type of intensity you see from Iggy or Deng. He also gets burned on D at times because he's not paying attention. It's not his thing. He's just not naturally interested or motivated on defense...and it shows. Instead, Granger likes to shoot which he does that very, very well.
    I'll remind you that Paul George occasionally falls asleep on defense, too, when his man does not have the ball. No one's going to say 'it's not his thing' because of that. Nor does the above give any credit to when he's deflecting passes or blocking shots. I'm not saying he's a monster at those things, but they do happen on a semi-regular basis, too.

    But overall, you think Danny's a very very good shooter who plays average starting small forward quality passing and defense. That's pretty good, isn't it? Relatively speaking.

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    • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

      Originally posted by Magic P View Post
      I like DG as a person and hope he plays well but he's the most overrated Pacer ever.
      Even if I were to agree with this, and I don't, but if I did, and you are correct... SO WHAT? Seriously? So what? Why should a Pacers fan care that a Pacer is TOO beloved? Seriously?

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      • Re: Granger To Resume Practice

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        What did he have? 2 assists and 5 turnovers? Amazing passing ability? Really, what you saw was average and you're probably not used to him moving the ball instead of chucking. The fact he didn't look inept doesn't mean he is an above passer as a starting SF. Lance and West are above average. Danny is not. Neither is George Hill. Heck, Paul is careless with the ball but he's more gifted than Danny at passing as well if he wouldn't screw around all the time. He simply has more game.

        The fact is, our team is NOT the best passing team around and if it wasn't for West and Lance and to some extent Hibbert we would be in serious trouble. We are good because of our defense, size and ability to post up. We have big time trouble moving the ball IMO.
        So he's not above average is the reason to complain or criticize? Who cares?? My God.

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        • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

          Originally posted by Hicks View Post
          I mean right now/lately, and I didn't just mean Danny, but the whole team. I feel like some are just going on about what's wrong, but I don't see much of any / any cheer for how great things have been or what others are doing well, it's just going on about something they feel is wrong, and I don't notice anything else. Maybe I'm missing it? I mean a casual mention, maybe, but actual celebration or happiness besides that? No.
          Some people are just miserable...always...and misery loves company...so....

          Based on the postings of some you would think the team is 5-21...instead of what it is-a legit championship contender...
          The Most Common Cause of Stress is Dealing with Idiots

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          • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

            Originally posted by PR07 View Post
            I honestly don't get the Granger vs. George flamewars. It's pointless. It's not like these guys can't co-exist. Were Colts' fans upset when we had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne?
            Seriously, it's pointless. I know, let's start talking about how Paul George isn't as tough as David West and use that as a reason to criticize and complain about PG moving forward, for all the good that would do...

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            • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

              Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
              My god guys, how about instead of insulting Paul George or Danny Granger in order to make the other look better, we just be happy we have both of these guys on our team?
              It's this desire to make any of our guys look bad... for the sake of making any of our guys look bad, that I find so very, very gross!

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              • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                Originally posted by BillS View Post
                Thanks for most of those, but I have a little quibble here. Icing knees in today's NBA does not mean they are sore or even bad. It seems to be fairly standard after games (PG has ice on his knees pretty consistently after games) as a preventative measure. I suspect that's the same situation with Danny since this is his first heavy action - a preventative measure, not an admission that there are problems with the knee.
                He had an ice pad on his knee while he was resting on the bench I only see players with knee issues(or different issues)do this, Wade is known for doing it while also getting treatment on the knee.

                And sure a lot of players do it but they usually do it after the game, note that it has been reported that for that kind of injury pain is expected forever so is not that surprising, note that I was just pointing that out so it shouldn't be considered a big deal.
                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  Things I got to see from Danny's first game yesterday:

                  - He is moving a bit better than what he was moving in pre-season, still slow, can't lift, his recovery on D is pretty slow(all this was expected).

                  - He has no lift on his jump shot and is afraid of dribbling the ball(for obvious reasons 5 TO's)

                  - His passing was good, not as great as some are making out to be but it was good for a guy that is limited on that front.

                  - I noticed that he was icing his left knee the whole time he was on the bench Isola was right.

                  - Yes we look better with him than with OJ, Cope or Hill, it's nice to have a veteran that knows wtf he is doing

                  Note that this are my takes on the first game so a lot of things can change.
                  It was actually a hot pad FWIW. He was keeping that leg warm, he would swap them and then he would head over to the elliptical.


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                  • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                    And, wow another guy goes down to injury, Brook Lopez just broke his foot for the 4th time in 3 seasons.


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                    • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      I mean right now/lately, and I didn't just mean Danny, but the whole team. I feel like some are just going on about what's wrong, but I don't see much of any / any cheer for how great things have been or what others are doing well, it's just going on about something they feel is wrong, and I don't notice anything else. Maybe I'm missing it? I mean a casual mention, maybe, but actual celebration or happiness besides that? No.
                      Well I only mentioned that I was saving money to be in the finals this year, if that is not positive I don't know what to tell you.
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                      • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        It was actually a hot pad FWIW. He was keeping that leg warm, he would swap them and then he would head over to the elliptical.
                        How can you tell? Not doubting, just wondering.

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                        • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          Well I only mentioned that I was saving money to be in the finals this year, if that is not positive I don't know what to tell you.
                          That's cool.

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                          • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                            My thoughts on Danny last night:

                            -Rusty, but he moved well like V said. Danny's never had the most athletic looking game, but it was good to see him get that swat on Dwight early. That was fun
                            -His jumper still looks pure but it's definitely gonna take him a couple weeks to get it consistent. It's too bad he stepped out of bounds on that catch and shoot 3 that would have been his second (which also counted as a TO)
                            - I was surprised we put him in the PnR so often as the ball handler, I think 3 of his turnovers came off of getting his pocket picked in this situation. Seemed like a lot to ask of the guy in his first game back
                            - He is still a load for players to handle in the post. We created some great action off of his post iso. I'd much rather us iso him there than in a PnR situation. He was doing a great job passing out of the post. Found Scola and Ian for easy buckets
                            - Generally made the right decisions within the flow of the offense all night. Had a few nice "hockey assist" style passes
                            - Got beat a few times on D where he read the PnR wrong
                            - It is so nice like V said to have a competent vet at the wing. Nothing against OJ or Solo but Danny was ten times more relaxed and dialed in with the team in his first game than they've been all season
                            - It is great to see how much this team loves one another. Paul and Lance hyping the crowd when Danny was finally subbed out will always be something to remember if you were there. THEY ARE A TEAM

                            Overall, I thought everything was positive and the negatives are what you would expect from someone returning from what DG has been through. Can't wait to see him continuing to get better. Also, holy Lord that Lance pass on the attempted alley oop that was so funny. I dont think healthy Danny could throw that down, but I was impressed that he gathered it in and almost put the layup in, Danny has always had amazing body control which is why he is such a great jump shooter everywhere on the court.


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                            • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                              How can you tell? Not doubting, just wondering.
                              I have a really good joke here but I rather just keep it to myself
                              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                              • Re: Danny Granger 13-14 Discussion

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                How can you tell? Not doubting, just wondering.
                                They usually ice with wraps, this was a pad. Plus it is extremely uncommon to ice during a game when a guy is going to be coming back in. It is not a good idea at all. The pads looks similar to what I've seen Roy use on his thighs or what Foster would occasionally use on his back.


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