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    Well, this was posted over 2 months ago and I would say that it's fairly accurate. Danny is a little better than OJ.

    I hope he improves, but rather than starting as many here wanted...Danny is playing spot minutes off the bench, operating a little better than Orlando Johnson.
    JHC BnG! I think that once that it was apparent that Lance had made an additional large leap forward this season, coupled with the continued delay in Danny getting back on court, nearly all of us "Grangerites" agreed that it would be far better for the team to continue the status quo once Danny did return.

    But let's get real. Granger is not playing "spot" minutes; he is a rotational player and the first wing off the bench. He starts when either wing is not available. Now it would be correct to state that Granger plays spot minutes at the backup PF position, primarily when Scola is in foul trouble or when Vogel needs a defender with a lot more versatility / mobility than what Scola brings to the court.

    To say that Granger is a "little" better than OJ is such a blatantly inaccurate statement to such a degree that it might cause other posters to begin to question the many enlightening, exceptional posts that you contribute. From my opinion, it wasn't just Danny's return that limited OJ's minutes. I believe OJ was playing himself out of the regular rotation before Danny even returned.

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    He has been awful this road trip. If Solo or Orlando or Sual had been playing like this, they would have lost that rotation spot for the time being. I see no reason to treat him any differently than those 3 guys. Sure, he gave a lot to us over the years, but except for Granger Vogel has shown that he plays the best player at that time, not the player that is payed the most. Don't see why he is not doing it here. Yes, when Granger is playing well he is better than those 3 guys, but when he's been as bad as he has been this road trip, I don't see a reason to not try out Sual, Lando, or even Cope.
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    But let's get real. Granger is not playing "spot" minutes; he is a rotational player and the first wing off the bench. He starts when either wing is not available. Now it would be correct to state that Granger plays spot minutes at the backup PF position, primarily when Scola is in foul trouble or when Vogel needs a defender with a lot more versatility / mobility than what Scola brings to the court.
    OJ can do that too though!! Blakey Griff was just lucky Vogel didn't put OJ on him instead of Danny.
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    You could have given your opinion as to what the reason for that stat is.
    The reason for that stat is both PG and Lance usually had monster games at the same time. Notice during PG's funk we didn't hit 100 once. The Kings game is when PG got out of his funk and notice how we started scoring 100 points again.

    Danny fans want to make it seem like he is having some impact on the court when honestly Danny has been giving us close to nothing offensively.

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    Danny fans want to make it seem like he is having some impact on the court when honestly Danny has been giving us close to nothing offensively.
    Can you clarify your post?

    Are you saying that Granger has had NO IMPACT to the court when he's played?

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    Are you saying that Granger has had a very limited impact on the court when he's played?
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    Can you clarify your post?

    Are you saying that Granger has had NO IMPACT to the court when he's played?

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    Are you saying that Granger has had a very limited impact on the court when he's played?
    In the context of the stat posted Danny has had little to no impact for why we seem to be scoring 100+ points more often since his return. It has more to do with the cupcake schedule we've had since Danny came back than it has to do with Danny's game on the court.

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    He has been awful this road trip. If Solo or Orlando or Sual had been playing like this, they would have lost that rotation spot for the time being. I see no reason to treat him any differently than those 3 guys. Sure, he gave a lot to us over the years, but except for Granger Vogel has shown that he plays the best player at that time, not the player that is payed the most. Don't see why he is not doing it here. Yes, when Granger is playing well he is better than those 3 guys, but when he's been as bad as he has been this road trip, I don't see a reason to not try out Sual, Lando, or even Cope.
    Not really, it took Orlando a month of poor play to lose his spot. Vogel isn't one to change the line-up very quickly, most coaches aren't. He certainly isn't going to change it just because of a few bad games.

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    Granger has had a big impact so far off the bench. He's the scoring element of the bench.
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    The last I checked our bench scoring was up 6 ppg since Granger returned. And for those who think he looked bad for the past 2 games, yes his scoring is down but he also wasn't getting the minutes. Granger's defense has been been better then Paul's or Lance's for the past 2 games.

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    In the context of the stat posted Danny has had little to no impact for why we seem to be scoring 100+ points more often since his return. It has more to do with the cupcake schedule we've had since Danny came back than it has to do with Danny's game on the court.
    Really? Danny, who has clearly added more scoring to our bench, has had no impact into the team scoring more points? Cause that makes sense.

    January has actually be PG's lowest scoring month, yet our team is scoring more. Wonder if the nearly 9ppg from Danny has anything to do with that...

    To sit there and say Danny just hasn't had an impact is ridiculous. He's clearly made our bench better. And thats even with his poor shooting so far.

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    Really? Danny, who has clearly added more scoring to our bench, has had no impact into the team scoring more points? Cause that makes sense.

    January has actually be PG's lowest scoring month, yet our team is scoring more. Wonder if the nearly 9ppg from Danny has anything to do with that...

    To sit there and say Danny just hasn't had an impact is ridiculous. He's clearly made our bench better. And thats even with his poor shooting so far.
    Why weren't we scoring 100 during PG's bad stretch? PG's string on bad games started Jan 1st, notice the Pacers didn't score 100 again until he got out of his funk versus the King. Is that a coincidence?

    Danny hasn't made anything better, he even admits he has been struggling lately.

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    Why weren't we scoring 100 during PG's bad stretch? PG's string on bad games started Jan 1st, notice the Pacers didn't score 100 again until he got out of his funk versus the King. Is that a coincidence?

    Danny hasn't made anything better, he even admits he has been struggling lately.

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    Because we are a better team when PG isn't struggling to score. Duh. No one is denying that. No one is saying its purely Danny making the team score more.

    And why are you posting that article? What does it have to do with anything? That Danny isn't 100%? Well yeah, we kinda knew that. But that doesn't mean he isn't helping. He's better than OJ, Rasual or Solo who were playing in his place.

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    Danny hasn't made anything better, he even admits he has been struggling lately.
    "Struggling in scoring" does not mean "he hasn't made anything better." From a few weeks ago...

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/0...even-stronger/

    Since his return, the Pacers have been doing a better job in 2nd quarters. Our bench usually plays longer in that period, so it makes a good case for Danny since he's a backup forward for the team.

    Sure, he's not scoring as he used to be. But he's not attempting as much as before. And yeah, he's passing more and feeding his teammates for better scoring opportunities. So it's no surprise that his addition coincides with improved bench play.
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    "Struggling in scoring" does not mean "he hasn't made anything better." From a few weeks ago...

    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/0...even-stronger/

    Since his return, the Pacers have been doing a better job in 2nd quarters since his return. Our bench usually plays longer in that period, so it makes a good case for Danny since he's a backup forward for the team.

    Sure, he's not scoring as he used to be. But he's not attempting as much as before. And yeah, he's passing more and feeding his teammates for better scoring opportunities. So it's no surprise that his addition coincides with improved bench play.
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    Also we scored 104 tonight with PG struggling and no starter scoring 20+.

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    This started because someone posted a stat stating that the Pacers have been scoring 100 points more often since Danny returned so the fact Danny is struggling offensively is proof Danny has nothing to do with it. It has more to do with PG playing better along with us playing weaker teams since the return of Danny.

    There is a reason Danny didn't return during the LAC, SA, OKC stretch he would have been embarrassed out there, he came back when we started playing weaker teams.

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    Also we scored 104 tonight with PG struggling and no starter scoring 20+.
    that's because Danny dropped 60 points tonight..he really put the team on his back tonight

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    that's because Danny dropped 60 points tonight..he really put the team on his back tonight
    C'mon now. Nobody is saying that it's all on Danny. It's just saying that an additional starter-quality guy off the bench does help. What's not to like about a team with multiple players from the bench capable of producing in limited minutes when every other team wishes they had at least the same depth?

    And it also makes sense to get multiple 100-point games with addition of Danny. It's just simply saying we replace 2 or 3ppg from OJ/Solo with at least 8ppg and an assist or 2 from Danny while assuming PG as the constant 20+ppg scorer that he is capable of.

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    It's hard to shoot yourself into game shape when you have plenty of competent help.
    I see DG passing off a lot more now, and he should.

    Otherwise he'd be stupidly shooting like 4 for 21!

    None the less it will take him a little longer to regain his form.

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    This started because someone posted a stat stating that the Pacers have been scoring 100 points more often since Danny returned so the fact Danny is struggling offensively is proof Danny has nothing to do with it. It has more to do with PG playing better along with us playing weaker teams since the return of Danny.

    There is a reason Danny didn't return during the LAC, SA, OKC stretch he would have been embarrassed out there, he came back when we started playing weaker teams.
    Just because a guy is struggeling to shoot the rock, and score bunches of points does not mean that he cannot still have a positive impact on the team...

    Food for thought... it is harder to play more "good" teams, when we are so damned good...

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    This started because someone posted a stat stating that the Pacers have been scoring 100 points more often since Danny returned so the fact Danny is struggling offensively is proof Danny has nothing to do with it. It has more to do with PG playing better along with us playing weaker teams since the return of Danny.

    There is a reason Danny didn't return during the LAC, SA, OKC stretch he would have been embarrassed out there, he came back when we started playing weaker teams.
    You mean we didn't bring a player back early against 3 elite teams? NO WAY!

    No one is saying Danny is the saving grace to this team, or that this team even needed one honestly. But he has made this team better at both ends of the floor. To sit there and deny it is laughable. Our strength of schedule is what it is. And its gonna stay the same the rest of the year http://regressing.deadspin.com/heres...ule-1502304453. The East just sucks, SOS is kinda stupid this year because of it.

    And Danny isn't struggling offensively, he's struggling shooting. He has been moving the ball very well on offense and has shown comfort operating from the perimeter and the post.

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    When someone post a stat saying...

    In the 25 games prior to Danny Granger coming back, the Pacers scored 100+ 4 times, 110+ 1 time, and gave up 100+ points 6 times.

    In the 18 games since Granger's return the, the Pacers have scored 100+ 10 times, 110+ 4 times, and gave up 100+ points only twice.
    How is that not making it seem like Danny alone made the difference?

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    When someone post a stat saying...



    How is that not making it seem like Danny alone made the difference?
    You infer to much... Simple factual statistics were presented... Argue them all you like... But you cant disprove them...

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    This started because someone posted a stat stating that the Pacers have been scoring 100 points more often since Danny returned so the fact Danny is struggling offensively is proof Danny has nothing to do with it. It has more to do with PG playing better along with us playing weaker teams since the return of Danny.

    There is a reason Danny didn't return during the LAC, SA, OKC stretch he would have been embarrassed out there, he came back when we started playing weaker teams.
    Actually, Eleazar just posted the stat. He didn't even try to interpet it until you jumped in.

    Our bench has been significantly better since Danny returned. No one can dispute that as it is supported by every possible statistical evidence.

    Why is the bench better? Because we have simply added one more offensive option. Teams still have to respect Granger's 3 point shooting. And they cannot get away by putting a small player on him either because he has exhibited the ability to punish a smaller defender in the post. He's also passing pretty well and contributing to the offensive flow. Even when his shot is off he still commands respect. Orlando and Solo didn't command respect on the offensive end.

    That's why the bench has been playing better ever since Danny returned. Every player helps to make the team better.
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