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    Since when does being relied on more for offense excuse Danny's poor defense during the dark ages? PG doesn't slack off defensively just because he has a bigger role in the offense.

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    Since when does being relied on more for offense excuse Danny's poor defense during the dark ages? PG doesn't slack off defensively just because he has a bigger role in the offense.
    We have so many more options that isn't a fair comparison. Paul George lets the offense come to him. He isn't THE offense. Granger was running through screens all night, and a majority of the plays were designed specifically for him. George can, and does, take a couple plays off throughout the night. We have 5 guys who are capable of the offense running through. Granger had what.. two or three outside himself that you could reasonably say were capable, but still not at the level that George has?

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    Since when does being relied on more for offense excuse Danny's poor defense during the dark ages? PG doesn't slack off defensively just because he has a bigger role in the offense.
    PG is not coached by JOB either.
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    We have so many more options that isn't a fair comparison. Paul George lets the offense come to him. He isn't THE offense. Granger was running through screens all night, and a majority of the plays were designed specifically for him. George can, and does, take a couple plays off throughout the night. We have 5 guys who are capable of the offense running through. Granger had what.. two or three outside himself that you could reasonably say were capable, but still not at the level that George has?
    If that is true when PG has a bad game you'd think he was the sole reason we lost. With this team being so deep you'd think PG wouldn't get criticized after every bad game. Danny who was relied on for offense still got off to bad starts, why? Birds comments the other day tells us why. So Danny brought no defense and got off to bad starts offensively but the new kid in town (PG) gets crucified on a deep team if he has a bad game. This is why there is a Danny vs PG dynamic on this board, Danny gets excuses for poor play but PG doesn't.

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    PG is not coached by JOB either.
    He did for half a season and he still played defense.

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    We have so many more options that isn't a fair comparison. Paul George lets the offense come to him. He isn't THE offense. Granger was running through screens all night, and a majority of the plays were designed specifically for him. George can, and does, take a couple plays off throughout the night. We have 5 guys who are capable of the offense running through. Granger had what.. two or three outside himself that you could reasonably say were capable, but still not at the level that George has?
    Top 5 on offense on the JOB years, the Pacers had players capable of scoring the myth that he had to jackup shots because he didn't have enough help is just that a myth.

    And nope George doesn't take plays off because he is always guarding the best player on the other team.

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    I love Paul George. But if you don't think he takes plays off you are crazy. Every player I'm the NBA does. Hell there are times Roy doesn't even get down on the offensive end of the court.

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    PG is not coached by JOB either.
    He was for a half season and got to spend of lot of that time on the bench or being told he was doing things wrong by JOB.

    Danny was a strong defender his first couple of years and then was forced to keep spending seasons with his coach handing huge playing time to Murphy, Dunleavy, even Rasho till he started dying. Posey got way more PT than he deserved. And that entire time JOB played LIP SERVICE to "guys need to play D to earn PT" as an excuse for not developing Roy or Paul (2 future all-stars no less) while letting Troy the Doorman play 36 a night.

    I know it's different posters at times, but it's really pathetic to see things like "Dunleavy played good team defense" and then see Granger described as a poor defender. I'm really sick of "team defense" as an excuse for the horrible defenders of the past, period. Scola and West are guys that aren't great defenders but play great team defense. Its what makes West the 3rd best defender on the team, rather than West looking like Murphy on defense.

    And I say this because Granger never needed that excuse, the "but he plays good team defense", because you could see him body guys up in the post and get a fair share of wing shot blocks.


    Granger has ALWAYS been a far better POST DEFENDER than Paul George. This is why he's a great SF vs Paul being a great SG. Guys like Melo or Lebron have a tougher time going at Danny because of his borderline PF defensive game.


    It's really sad to see that people either forgot or just jumped on the wagon and don't have any recollection of how Granger and James got into it while James was still in Cleveland. This includes when James and Granger exchanged "game winning" FTAs after drawing fouls on each other.





    Finally, has anyone ever thought that just maybe Paul George and Danny Granger would both equally benefit from playing on a stable, well-coached team with an AS caliber Hibbert, a fully recovered West, a matured Lance, and backup PG and PF drastically improved?

    Danny was the star player on a playoff team that nearly STARTED AJ Price, Tyler Hans, a very non-AS Roy and a rookie. That was just 3 seasons ago. The year after Danny put up numbers just as good as Paul when they got to 6 games vs Miami. And lets be honest about last season, the main difference was that they saw Miami in the ECF instead of round 2.




    Freaking Reggie Miller putting up 57...he sucked, it was just that he was on a bad team. smfh in embarrassment

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    If that is true when PG has a bad game you'd think he was the sole reason we lost. With this team being so deep you'd think PG wouldn't get criticized after every bad game. Danny who was relied on for offense still got off to bad starts, why? Birds comments the other day tells us why. So Danny brought no defense and got off to bad starts offensively but the new kid in town (PG) gets crucified on a deep team if he has a bad game. This is why there is a Danny vs PG dynamic on this board, Danny gets excuses for poor play but PG doesn't.
    Lol....Crucified? Really? Really???? George Hill certainly has been drawing quite a bit of criticism lately and seems to be the new whipping boy. About the only criticism Paul George receives is with his constant complaining to the refs and diva-like actions at times-and justifiably so...other than that, he receives little to no criticism even though hes the new face of the franchise with a max contract and as such its natural to expect a fair amount of criticism when he doesnt play well.

    Now what all that has to do with Danny is beyond me...Its like some of you dont understand that probably the biggest key to winning a championship is having them both performing at a high level and having the two of them healthy along with the other top 9 players.

    You do realize they play for the same team, correct?? You know, YOURS and OUR Indiana Pacers????? Some of you talk about Danny as if he played for the Heat or something.....crazy nonsense.

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    He did for half a season and he still played defense.
    Not according to JOB. Sitting 5 feet from JOB I watched Paul come in off the bench vs ORL and after 2 trips JOB called him over and *****ed him out like he'd just blown everything.

    Also being an eager rookie who hasn't already spent 3 years on "chuck it with no consequences for not defending" is not the same as being a guy emulating Artest his rookie year only to see those dreams and that coaching style flushed down the toilet....over and over.

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    Top 5 on offense on the JOB years, the Pacers had players capable of scoring the myth that he had to jackup shots because he didn't have enough help is just that a myth.

    And nope George doesn't take plays off because he is always guarding the best player on the other team.
    Now its official...you just proved it...you dont watch the games...

    Theres at least a couple plays a game he takes off because hes too busy whining to the referee that he was fouled...and he definitely misses some rotations that lead to a couple easy baskets each game....that makes him human...hes still an all-world defender...

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    And Joe Johnson. And Kawhi. And Dudley. And Melo. And Parsons.

    I am not expecting perfection. But we need low post defense against periemeter players besides George. Lance is good, but even Joe Johnson destroyed him on the block. I was surprised that when we put Lance on Lebron they didn't go to the post with Lebron. In fact that alone is why Spoelstra is a great coach. The Heat pressured our defense most when they put Lebron in the post.
    Exactly. It's like people have completely forgotten every game this team played just 2 years ago. Of course they also think Granger is a chucker even though he's shown far more success drawing FTAs per game than Paul has up till now.

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    So you are tired of people using "team defense" as an excuse but then Danny is a good "team defender"? what I'm missing here?

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    Good numbers on bad team - THIS IS THE DUMBEST MYTH, THE MOST CONTRADICTED MYTH, IN ALL OF SPORTS

    How does Iverson get credit for "carry a team on his own" but Granger get bashed for putting up more efficient scoring numbers on a team that did NOT feature a DPOY at center (Mutumbo).


    How is it that Shaq helped make his shooters look better cause he got them open looks, but Granger hit all his threes because he DIDN'T HAVE SHAQ? When you make the statement that guys put up good per minute/per FGA numbers on bad teams specifically because their teammates are so bad it just sounds dumb and instantly contradicts the idea that a guy can't be blamed cause his teammates are so bad.

    Having better teammates must make your numbers look better...unless you are someone that only looks at pure volume (ie PPG or maybe RPG). You need guys to make shots to get assists, you need guys to help get open looks to carry a good FG%.


    Or would someone like to make the case that if ANY PLAYER went 1 on 5, literally being the only player on the court for his team, that he'd get better numbers? Somehow being the only guy out there would means your FG% would go up and you'd be getting all the rebounds by outplaying all 5 opponents at once?

    THINK ABOUT THE LOGIC OF BEING "HELPED" BY HAVING BAD TEAMMATES! Then put that BS statement 6 feet under forever.....this message brought to you by Gerald Green on the WINNING Phoenix Suns.

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    Fifty five pages in, and it's become a personal memory retention contest.

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    Is Granger playing tonight or is that knee swelling up already?

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    Good numbers on bad team - THIS IS THE DUMBEST MYTH, THE MOST CONTRADICTED MYTH, IN ALL OF SPORTS

    How does Iverson get credit for "carry a team on his own" but Granger get bashed for putting up more efficient scoring numbers on a team that did NOT feature a DPOY at center (Mutumbo).


    How is it that Shaq helped make his shooters look better cause he got them open looks, but Granger hit all his threes because he DIDN'T HAVE SHAQ? When you make the statement that guys put up good per minute/per FGA numbers on bad teams specifically because their teammates are so bad it just sounds dumb and instantly contradicts the idea that a guy can't be blamed cause his teammates are so bad.

    Having better teammates must make your numbers look better...unless you are someone that only looks at pure volume (ie PPG or maybe RPG). You need guys to make shots to get assists, you need guys to help get open looks to carry a good FG%.


    Or would someone like to make the case that if ANY PLAYER went 1 on 5, literally being the only player on the court for his team, that he'd get better numbers? Somehow being the only guy out there would means your FG% would go up and you'd be getting all the rebounds by outplaying all 5 opponents at once?

    THINK ABOUT THE LOGIC OF BEING "HELPED" BY HAVING BAD TEAMMATES! Then put that BS statement 6 feet under forever.....this message brought to you by Gerald Green on the WINNING Phoenix Suns.
    This is exactly on point.

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    He did for half a season and he still played defense.
    He wasn't the 1st option, though.
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    Is Granger playing tonight or is that knee swelling up already?
    It's post like this that make people think you are a hater. Even as a joke, its just so old and makes me shake my head.

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    BTW, true modestly inside info on Danny is that the med staff feels good about the recovery, totally fine, and now just being brought along to ramp right into the playoffs. 2-3 weeks of 15 mpg outings, utilize the AS break as well and then have him into big minutes by the playoffs. The way it was expressed to me was full confidence and a major part of the title run. Pretty thrilled with his situation.

    And this was before he attempted the alley oop or tried the running/jumping layup into traffic...both classic signs of a guy scared about his knee.

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    How does Iverson get credit for "carry a team on his own" but Granger get bashed for putting up more efficient scoring numbers on a team that did NOT feature a DPOY at center (Mutumbo).


    How is it that Shaq helped make his shooters look better cause he got them open looks, but Granger hit all his threes because he DIDN'T HAVE SHAQ? When you make the statement that guys put up good per minute/per FGA numbers on bad teams specifically because their teammates are so bad it just sounds dumb and instantly contradicts the idea that a guy can't be blamed cause his teammates are so bad.


    THINK ABOUT THE LOGIC OF BEING "HELPED" BY HAVING BAD TEAMMATES! Then put that BS statement 6 feet under forever.....this message brought to you by Gerald Green on the WINNING Phoenix Suns.
    First, Granger isn't in the same universe as Iverson or Shaq...so those examples don't mean much. Second, when a guy plays on a bad team he not only gets volume shots. He and his team are not going to get strong defense for 4 quarters. So, just like Troy Murphy who had amazing stats himself including pretty efficient scoring, Granger got his numbers on bad teams against defense that didn't care he was stroking it. Teams just don't come out with an edge against a Jim O'Brien coached team. Nowadays, we get their best shot from the tip.

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    Granger has ALWAYS been a far better POST DEFENDER than Paul George. This is why he's a great SF vs Paul being a great SG. Guys like Melo or Lebron have a tougher time going at Danny because of his borderline PF defensive game.
    That's a very important point. George is a better defender than Granger everywhere on the court except for the post. Not until now, of course. It's perfectly reasonable to think that PG has gotten stronger and has improved his post defense and/or that Danny's post defense has worsened due to his injury. But as the two series against Miami can tell us, Granger defended LeBron better in the post in 11-12 than Paul did in 12-13. Again, that's perfectly reasonable because PG was not even 23 years old yet and thus he wasn't strong enough. I'm confident that he will get stronger and that his post D will improve but you are absolutely right on that point.
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    It's post like this that make people think you are a hater. Even as a joke, its just so old and makes me shake my head.
    Ok. I probably deserve that. It's just what I expect at some point and it came out. Too many years of watching Jermaine and J Bender.

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    I've never seen people so determined to undermine a players numbers when said player plays for their favorite team.

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    I would also like somebody to explain to me how they are planning in replacing PG with DG when PG has Lebron on the post? teletransportation? because I can see Lebron salivating as soon as he gets the ball and has DG guarding him, he won't need to go to the post if he can take the guy off the dribble at will.


    The idea of having DG to defend Lebron/Melo in the post is nice and all but is not feasible or realistic because Lebron and Melo know they can just take it to him without even having to post him up.

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