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    Danny did make a few nice passes yesterday, he only got 2 assists, but he did have some hockey assists

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    Like i said earlier...it seems a few around here have forgotten just how good Danny was. Both on the floor and off.
    It's hard do have a debate about Danny's game because people actually believe this.

    I saw what I hoped to see from Danny last night. Really great to see that he was noticeably looking to make the extra pass. My brother and I were laughing because some of those passes were kind of awkward looking, and they were passes we'd rarely seen Danny attempt. He made most of them though, and he made several good basketball plays that led to hockey assists. I know it's 1 only 1 game, but I think if he's stays healthy he'll really help the offense.

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    It's hard do have a debate about Danny's game because people actually believe this.

    I saw what I hoped to see from Danny last night. Really great to see that he was noticeably looking to make the extra pass. My brother and I were laughing because some of those passes were kind of awkward looking, and they were passes we'd rarely seen Danny attempt. He made most of them though, and he made several good basketball plays that led to hockey assists. I know it's 1 only 1 game, but I think if he's stays healthy he'll really help the offense.
    I don't understand the emphasis on "and off". Is Danny Granger not good off the court, or did I misread your post?
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    I don't understand the emphasis on "and off". Is Danny Granger not good off the court, or did I misread your post?
    No, I think he meant the claim that people have forgotten the pre-injury, all-star caliber Granger...and that's why they are speaking nonsense.

    Of course, in the same breath one can easily forget that Mike Dunleavy looked like an all-star offensive player under JOb as well...and one can easily forget that we were dreaming of a .500 records for years while those threes were racking up fake numbers for Troy Murphy too. Yes, we have all forgotten so much...

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    I don't understand the emphasis on "and off". Is Danny Granger not good off the court, or did I misread your post?
    I think some people believe that we he hate the guy on "and off" the court. It's not like that. There's things we've liked about Danny's game and things we haven't. Some the reactions we get for critiquing his game can be harsh. I'm going to try to stay out the debates which I'm sure will make lots of people happy.

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    But overall, you think Danny's a very very good shooter who plays average starting small forward quality passing and defense. That's pretty good, isn't it? Relatively speaking.
    Yes, I would agree with that. That's pretty much what I've been saying and I think it's accurate. I like Granger. I like him just like Scola and CJ Watson. Very, very happy he is back.

    But my belief is that people need to adjust what they expect from Granger this year for several reasons. One is his health. Another is the fact he's not going to have the same role on this team. This is not a .400 JOb team. Yet people insisted early on he would have to start shortly after he returned.

    Then you have people who are trying to prop up Danny's dribble, passing and defense as-if they are anything better than average as a starting SF. I'm sorry, but he can't be all-star level at everything particularly when he hasn't made an all-star team in a long time. Average starting quality skill is nothing to sneeze at. He is below average dribbling the ball for a wing. Is that blasphemy or something? Nope. Is he still an above average starting SF in the NBA? If healthy, yes.

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    No, I think he meant the claim that people have forgotten the pre-injury, all-star caliber Granger...and that's why they are speaking nonsense.

    Of course, in the same breath one can easily forget that Mike Dunleavy looked like an all-star offensive player under JOb as well...and one can easily forget that we were dreaming of a .500 records for years while those threes were racking up fake numbers for Troy Murphy too. Yes, we have all forgotten so much...
    Anyone who seriously thought Dunleavy looked like an all-star was solely focuses on his 19ppg and nothing else.

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    I'm one of the people who thought Danny would be a starter if/when he came back at the start of the season. I believed that mostly because Coach Vogel said so and Danny said so. My not so secret wish was for him to be the 6th man coming in for West and PG/Lance. Of course, that was before we signed Luis and Danny came up with the strain. I now see him as the 8th guy off the bench to rotate Lance and PG for rest periods. Probably won't see much time at the 4 unless we have injuries down the road. Thought then and think now that DG will be whatever the team needs him to be to help the Ps win games. I just hope he stays healthy and gets to finish the year(and maybe his career) as a winner/Champion. Why some folks get so angry that everybody doesn't agree with their opinion is beyond me???
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    Anyone who seriously thought Dunleavy looked like an all-star was solely focuses on his 19ppg and nothing else.
    Yes, that is correct in some cases. But people would also rave about his passing wouldn't they? Yes, it was considerably better than Danny's.

    Also, I think Dunleavy and Murphy supporters...maybe even JOb supporters as a whole...invented the phrase "team defense" to eliminate defensive weaknesses from being considered.

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    I'm one of the people who thought Danny would be a starter if/when he came back at the start of the season. I believed that mostly because Coach Vogel said so and Danny said so. My not so secret wish was for him to be the 6th man coming in for West and PG/Lance. Of course, that was before we signed Luis and Danny came up with the strain. I now see him as the 8th guy off the bench to rotate Lance and PG for rest periods. Probably won't see much time at the 4 unless we have injuries down the road. Thought then and think now that DG will be whatever the team needs him to be to help the Ps win games. I just hope he stays healthy and gets to finish the year(and maybe his career) as a winner/Champion.
    I am hoping Granger can be the 6th, not 8th man. If healthy, he's better than both Scola and Watson. If he's healthy past January it may be time to order tickets to the finals. I do think if he stays healthy he's going to be deadly off the bench.

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    Granger said afterward that his seemingly one-dimensional approach was a virtual necessity in previous years, but changed when Vogel replaced Jim O'Brien as coach midway through the 2010-11 season.
    Another word that was impossible to use here without creating a lot of overreactions, yes he said that he was "one dimensional"


    And this is Paul George's take on what DG is going to bring:

    “You saw it all tonight,” George said. “He was able to share the ball. He was drawing guys to him. He wasn't looking to force anything. And when he had opportunities to be aggressive and look for his shot, he did. I think that's what's your gonna see.”
    The highlighted part is interesting.

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    Another word that was impossible to use here without creating a lot of overreactions, yes he said that he was "one dimensional"


    And this is Paul George's take on what DG is going to bring:



    The highlighted part is interesting.

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/grang...othing-changes
    "Seemingly" one-dimensional. That qualifier word changes everything.

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    Love Larry Bird. Asked him why Granger starts so slowly every year, he says, "Cuz he doesn't work hard enough in the off-season.''

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    "Seemingly" one-dimensional. That qualifier word changes everything.
    It's not the first time he calls himself "one dimensional" but this is the first time that is written on an interview.

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    Bird said he's not actively looking to deal Granger, but isn't closing any doors to the idea, either. "If it can help the franchise...''

    I'm glad to hear that.

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    Bob Kravitz is drinking the koolaid "and hope he lead them to a championship", lets calm down Bob lol



    Danny Granger probably won't be a Pacer beyond this year, not with him being in the final year of a contract that pays $14 million a season. And he understands that. The Pacers aren't going to pay the luxury tax, unless Herb Simon has an epiphany, and there's the not-so-small matter of re-signing free agent-to-be Lance Stephenson this summer.

    But Granger, who returned to the lineup Friday against the Houston Rockets, wants desperately to remain a Pacer beyond the trade deadline, to help take this team as far as it can go this spring.

    "It's really important for me to remain a Pacer," he said Saturday. "I feel like I've been a big part of the building, gone through a lot of the bad years and now the good. I'd love to stay, but I understand the business of basketball and I understand that I might be a trade commodity."

    The Pacers will have two options: They can hold onto Granger and hope he helps lead them to a championship and ultimately lose him to free agency for no compensation, or they can trade him at the deadline.

    The best call is to keep him. Hope he returns to something close to his All-Star form and turns into one of the most dynamic bench scorers in the league. As good as this team is now, 21-5 heading into Sunday's home game against Boston, imagine the Pacers with Granger off the bench instead of, say, Orlando Johnson or Rasual Butler.

    "I've talked to Danny, talked to his agent; I'm not looking to trade him," team president Larry Bird said Saturday. "But you never know. If the right thing came along that would help the franchise, I would have to look at it, but I'm not out there looking at deals."

    If the Pacers did deal Granger —and he'd have to be healthy for anybody to want him — they'd have to take back $14 million in salary commitments. That means bringing back guys who are in the final year of their contract, along with trade exceptions.

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    "We couldn't take back guys who are going to be $14 million next year," Bird said.

    Will Granger struggle in his comeback? Absolutely, he'll struggle. He's missed nine months. Even when he's been healthy, he's always been a slow starter throughout his career.

    There's a reason for that, according to the eternally honest Bird.

    "He doesn't work hard enough (in the offseason)," Bird said. "He's not a guy who'll push himself to the brink like a lot of our guys do. He works hard but he doesn't push himself. That's why he starts slow every year and he just works his way back. Now this year, he's been hurt, so it's a different deal."

    A word for Pacers fans: Patience.

    Because in the long run, Granger could be the difference between beating the Miami Heat in the likely Eastern Conference Finals matchup and falling short for a third straight time.

    I get the sense that Pacers fans have dismissed Granger, or at least forgotten about him, but we're talking here about a former All-Star and a guy who will give you significant points, whether he's a starter or, more likely, as a leading light off the bench.

    The Miami Heat have kept Greg Oden in mothballs, all in the hope of having him play a couple of productive minutes here or there against Roy Hibbert. But it's the Pacers who have the true secret weapon waiting to be unleashed come the springtime, and that's Granger.

    "You know how I feel about Danny," Bird said. "He brings so much more to our team than people realize. Watching the game Friday night, our team finally looked complete. Just his toughness, his ability to shoot the ball from the outside. What we're going to need is for him to defend. It all boils down to how he defends, and that'll determine how many minutes he gets."

    Before the season — before Granger had his setback with his calf — Bird said he should not lose his starting spot because of an injury. But 26 games into the season, Bird's changed his tune, and for very good reason. Stephenson has been the perfect complementary player, an energizer who doesn't need plays called for him. At this point, there's no reason to tinker with a good thing.

    "It's up to Frank (Vogel), but I see him (Granger) coming off the bench for the rest of the season," Bird said. "I think Lance has earned his spot (in the starting rotation)."

    Consider this bench now: C.J. Watson, who's been a massive improvement over D.J. Augustin. Granger, a former All-Star. Luis Scola, who's been money since the moment he arrived in Indianapolis. Ian Mahinmi, who gives the Pacers a rim protector when Hibbert is on the bench. And sometimes Stephenson, who often stays on the floor and plays with the second unit.

    That is a scary bench — scary in a good way and not in the way they were last year, when they made you hold your breath while Gerald Green chucked up 3s.

    Competitively and financially, it makes no sense to move Granger at the trade deadline.

    And who knows? If Granger doesn't ask for mega-bucks at season's end, Bird can see ways to accommodate both Granger and Stephenson, however unlikely that may be. It wouldn't hurt if Simon allowed Bird to pay into the luxury tax (again, unlikely).

    "Would he (Simon pay the luxury tax)? I don't know," Bird said. "I do what he tells me to do. Right now, his thing is we can't pay the luxury tax. It's like Oklahoma City; we're in the same position. If Herbie came to me, sure, we'd definitely talk about it."

    In the end, Granger would be a rental through season's end, but that's a worthwhile purchase. As good as the Pacers are, they can be even better with Granger near the top of his game. He's been here through the bad times, a bright light amidst the darkness of the Jim O'Brien years. Here's hoping he's central to a championship run.
    http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...anger/4157841/
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    "You know how I feel about Danny," Bird said. "He brings so much more to our team than people realize. Watching the game Friday night, our team finally looked complete. Just his toughness, his ability to shoot the ball from the outside. What we're going to need is for him to defend. It all boils down to how he defends, and that'll determine how many minutes he gets."

    http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...anger/4157841/

    Well, it seems like Bird's basically saying that Danny will remain a Pacer so long as he defends and remains a team player. Also, Larry's assessment was perfect: The team finally looked complete. A healthy Danny's exactly what this team needs.

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    The operative word there is "approach".
    It speaks to The O'brian scheme wherein Danny pretty much was a shooter first and foremost.
    Approaches encourage tendencies and build upon existing talent but can be dropped or adjusted. Just like a coaching staff.

    Danny is a smart, coach-able player with all the tools necessary to succeed...except perhaps good health.

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    Im going to say it now. With the current attendance uptick (we haven't drawn BELOW 15,000 since the second week of the season, and 7 of the 13 games have been SOLD OUT!), it might be a little easier for Mr. Simon to perhaps consider opening the pocketbook a little more....
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    If Granger is healthy you keep him through the end of the year. You only have so many shots at a championship and we have one this year. Trading him would be akin to trading Antonio Davis at the wrong time and you all know how that turned out.

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    If Granger is healthy you keep him through the end of the year. You only have so many shots at a championship and we have one this year. Trading him would be akin to trading Antonio Davis at the wrong time and you all know how that turned out.
    speaking of knees. at least Danny isn't supposed to be the guy to take us into the next era of Pacers basketball.

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    Im going to say it now. With the current attendance uptick (we haven't drawn BELOW 15,000 since the second week of the season, and 7 of the 13 games have been SOLD OUT!), it might be a little easier for Mr. Simon to perhaps consider opening the pocketbook a little more....
    If this team wins a championship this year, I'm 85% certain that Larry will convince Herb to go over the tax to resign Lance and Danny (if he takes a major paycut to remain on a contender). Herb's not getting any younger and he's having just as much fun watching this team compete and win (flashback to Herb dancing). He knows this could be the last time he sees his team be a contender.

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    He probably won't ever be the same player he used to be, but I'm glad he's finally back... been waiting for so long
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    Im going to say it now. With the current attendance uptick (we haven't drawn BELOW 15,000 since the second week of the season, and 7 of the 13 games have been SOLD OUT!), it might be a little easier for Mr. Simon to perhaps consider opening the pocketbook a little more....
    I'm not saying. But I'm jus'sayin.

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/q-and-larry-bird-2013

    No. I tell you, I was pretty content. The thing that got me was when other teams started calling. It sort of fired me up a little bit. I never really gave Donnie or anyone an answer until Herbie called me one day. That day, I was a little bored. He said, with his age, he wanted to make a run for it. Just about all the guys here were our guys. Let's make a run for it and see what we can do. If you're not doing anything, why not? Once I found out we had a little bit of money this summer and were probably going to sign Paul George without waiting to match an offer and all that, I was set to come back. Once I told him that, he called back the next day and said, 'I want you in the office next week.' And I'm not going to start paying you until July 1. (laughs)
    I mean, your niece already put your name on Assembly Hall. Gotta do SOMETHING with all them billions Herbie.

    Think when he goes to a board of directors meeting for Simon Properties Group anybody has the balls to call him Herbie? Let alone in print.
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