Ahhh...now u wanna move the goalposts???? who said anything ever about paul george and him defending at a level of danny????? certainly not i....u went on and on about a 22 year old granger not being able to guard lebron...nothing about george...i never said one thing about george....not one...
Youre 48???? guess what im 48....and yet why is it i remember vividly grangers rookie season and artest working with him and Danny playing lebron quite well and all of us around here being excited about the possibilities and many saying ron who? and yet u...also 48...thought he was in new mexico??????? how are u gonna know a good basketball player when ur looking in new mexico for a guy whos already in Indy???? This isnt about Paul George...this is about Danny Granger...and you not being able to imagine a 22 year old Granger defending lebron...
You dont have to imagine it...it took place...4 times in fact....and you really think its me that should think before i post??????
And a bit of advice...not that it matters, but you might want to be a bit careful calling out people when you really have very little knowledge of what u speak...ur 48 and saw Big Mac play....im happy for you....and again not that it matters as you have unfortunately proven it doesnt matter how old one is and who they watched play...but some on here know me...and its very simple...ive been to games at the coliseum...ive been to games in msa..ive been to games in conseco and blf and most nba arenas in the league...i was 5 rows behind the pacers bench in miami on wednesday....ive attended well over 1000 Pacer games across the country...i handed my piggy bank personally to slick at the telethon...and all that along with 1.50 might get me a cup of coffee...cause it really doesnt mean squat when it comes to trying to justify something like a 22 year old Danny never guarding lebron when indeed it happened 4 times....now it can make for some really great conversation amongst those of us that have been around that long and know whats it feels like to win a championship...to talk about listening to joe mcconell on the radio as well as jerry baker on channel 4 broad casts etc...but "son" it wont help u gain any credibility on here...because theres some young bucks that can run circles around u with facts and figures that will make ur head spin if ur not careful....and being 48 and having seen big mac play ball or run the lottery wont help you...
Last edited by cinotimz; 12-21-2013 at 01:22 AM.
I didn't move the goal posts. You apparently didn't note where they were located. You responded to a post and didn't read the context. Go back and read Eleazer's post and it might make more sense...
Edit: Post #1184.
Last edited by BlueNGold; 12-21-2013 at 01:26 AM.
Did I say he hasnt gotten better? Nope. But he was still an amazing player then. And people were wrong about Lebron then. Cleveland just built **** teams around him. Kebron was never a loser. And lebron still plays the same I'm clutch situations in miami. He just has teammates who hit the shots he creates now.
And Ron Arrest was probably the best defender that Lebron will ever have to go against. Ron was strong enough and fast enough for him. He had great defensive instincts and played aggressive. His physical build alone caused difficulties that PG just cannot. A prime Arrest vs a prime Lebron would be something. Scottie Pippen is the only other guy that comes to mind that I would want to see matched up against Lebron.
Well the season in question he averaged 31.4 ppg, 7 rebounds, 6.6 assists and 48% shooting in 42.5 minutes...still regarded as one of the better statistical and all around years in the modern era...he was a monster, very simple....is he smarter now? yea....hes matured...but to say he wasnt in his prime? he was in his prime his senior year of high school....
but to answer the question would an in his prime ron artest handle an in his prime lebron the way he did back then? yes...they were both that good at what they did...thats what it made it so fun...ron was the perfect specimen to guard lebron...he was close to a physical equal-something lebron never sees...and he was crazy...which made him incredibly dangerous and incredibly good...there were nights lebron got his....but thats why i was crying so much when ron got traded instead of jermaine...because my thought was simple...ron was just never gonna lose the battle to his man on just about any night...even with lebron...hes the only guy that has ever been really able to handle lebron one on one with any degree of success...
i swear theres an echo in here
You guys have to calm down. It doesn't matter what was said over the last 1.5 years....or even today before the game.....start off fresh and start discussing about what Granger can or cannot do now that he is able to play...not argue about the past.
Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.
This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.
...and his minutes are way down from the CAV days when he racked up numbers. From above 40 all the way down to 35 this year.
Edit: I will just respond to your post below and say we will just have to agree to disagree. You responded to my post to Eleazer and misunderstood it from the beginning. You marvel at how he guarded LeBron as a Cav...early 20's. But that's not what I posted sir. But that happens when you get a bit older...
Last edited by BlueNGold; 12-21-2013 at 02:05 AM.
I actually watch the games...so dont need to peruse the numbers...never said he hadnt improved...his game has evolved...as i said..hes gotten smarter...lebron has always been a physical specimen as well as incredibly high basketball iq...in his early days he relied more on his physical aspects...these days he uses those less and less...he has refined his shooting...he drives less...shoots more jump shots and is better at it...he goes to the line less because hes driving less....
but all that has nothing to do with Danny Granger not being in New Mexico and instead guarding Lebron...and doing a pretty damn good job of it to boot...something u indicated wouldnt happen even if we tried to imagine...well we didnt have to imagine it and it did happen that way...
anyhow...ur giving 48 years olds a bad name with such rants....so lets move along...
If Danny is able to stay relatively healthy and rounds in to form after a month or two...and Hibbert, West, George, Hill, Stephenson, Scola, Watson and Ian also remain relatively healthy Miami cant beat us...without DAnny or any of the others for that matter, its a toss up...But if Danny is back and we are whole...Miami cant touch us....only OKC would stand between us and a title...its really that simple..
EDIT: and btw...the days of ron, jackson and danny taking turns never really happened...that first cleveland game of 2005 was the only game they were on the roster together....so one day at best...and very early in the season...dannys rookie season.
Last edited by Kstat; 12-21-2013 at 07:06 AM.
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One thing I forgot about Danny was just how big he is. He has legitimate NBA size and that's gonna allow Vogel to put out some really interesting line ups this year.
I also thought Danny was reading the floor extremely well. He's a real NBA player, no knock against OJ or Solo but they aren't near that level. The turnovers and rust are part of the process of coming back. Just from what I saw against the Rockets, I'm really excited.
Lol are we still arguing about DG?!
i am actually encouraged by his play last night. The Rockets had to guard him. And he moved well off screens causing the defense to adjust. If he stays healthy he will give so much more than I expected. I just thought he was going to sit in the corner.
He is moving. He is causing movement. Something that our staters were struggling to do for a week.
Our bench can be the 7 seed in the east.
Danny is a veteran and his mind is up to speed but his body will not do what he wants it to do at this point.
He knows how to assist and he knows how to defend better than any of the Pacers young players. The offense will improve.
Having him come off the bench is going to be huge for us. Last night during the game I was imagining a Lance, PG, DG, DW & Hibbert lineup and what it could do to other teams.
Things I got to see from Danny's first game yesterday:
- He is moving a bit better than what he was moving in pre-season, still slow, can't lift, his recovery on D is pretty slow(all this was expected).
- He has no lift on his jump shot and is afraid of dribbling the ball(for obvious reasons 5 TO's)
- His passing was good, not as great as some are making out to be but it was good for a guy that is limited on that front.
- I noticed that he was icing his left knee the whole time he was on the bench Isola was right.
- Yes we look better with him than with OJ, Cope or Hill, it's nice to have a veteran that knows wtf he is doing
Note that this are my takes on the first game so a lot of things can change.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
Frequency / repetition is a lot of it to me. It's one thing to say those things a few times, but it's gone on, and on, and on for months.
You aren't someone I think of with my complaint, by the way, because you also spend a lot of time enjoying the good stuff with the team.
I'll remind you that Paul George occasionally falls asleep on defense, too, when his man does not have the ball. No one's going to say 'it's not his thing' because of that. Nor does the above give any credit to when he's deflecting passes or blocking shots. I'm not saying he's a monster at those things, but they do happen on a semi-regular basis, too.
But overall, you think Danny's a very very good shooter who plays average starting small forward quality passing and defense. That's pretty good, isn't it? Relatively speaking.