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    My expectation is that he does come back on Friday and he plays on and off for two weeks only to get another flare up. They sit him until sometime in March and the same thing happens. He sits and watches us dismantle Miami and go to the Finals without ever stepping on the court in the playoffs.
    I'm just curious, did you expect this out of Rose, Koby, or Westbrook? Danny's knee looked fine during the preseason while playing heavy minutes and I'd say he looked very good in his last preseason game. I expect him to stick when he comes back and I kind of expected the same thing of the other 3.

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    No, he's a rookie learning to play the game on a team that's a finely-tuned precision instrument.

    It's why players like Miles and Green look good in other settings but garbage here. If you're not working as part of the system, especially on defense, it really shows.
    Of course Solo's issues were on the other end. I like Solo's defense but his offense was a disaster.

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    Actually, I feel better on Granger.
    Last year, it's probably the team think he can play through the pain of the knee and Danny think the pain making him uncomfortable to play through.

    This year, I guess he is just feel much better on his body and get too excited.
    He is too hyped to big mouthed to the media, which Frank don't like.
    But that appeared to be OK from both sides now.
    You see Danny waited the reporter to hear what Frank said.

    As long as he feel good on his body, and hopefully the med staff make sure no setback comes,
    the game leg, rhythm, condition, etc will come in time.

    Actually, I feel better than ever since his injury.

    And we actually need another scoring punch from the wing position.

    Now if Mahimi get to shoot his low post and mid range reasonably well,
    we have our bench set.
    OK, maybe I'm too hopeful on the last wish.
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    I'm just curious, did you expect this out of Rose, Koby, or Westbrook? Danny's knee looked fine during the preseason while playing heavy minutes and I'd say he looked very good in his last preseason game. I expect him to stick when he comes back and I kind of expected the same thing of the other 3.
    No, I don't think much about other teams and their players. OTOH, Pacer players and bad knees remind me of Jermaine O'Neal and Jon Bender. Not a good track record. I do hope Danny breaks out of that.

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    I don't see that much difference from the practice footage they are showing and preseason, I mean even his comments match what we got to see in preseason, he said that he is missing layups in practice(he missed a lot of layups in preseason) he is also dribbling the ball of his foot(check again), his D is not there on the footage and was not there in preseason either.

    Now that I think about it I'm not sure why the F they were playing him so much in preseason if he was looking as bad as now.
    I'm only asking this because I know many did not get the chance to see this game because it wasn't locally broadcast, but did you happen to see his final preseason game @CHI? I was luckily able to, and I truly think he looked much better that game than he had earlier in the preseason. Had he not been sat down with the calf, I was ready to think 'he's back' in my own mind based on how he was looking that night.

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    Did you see his final preseason game @CHI? I know many did not see that game. I was luckily able to, and I'm telling you it was easily the best he had looked.
    Yes I saw that game and he looked decent on the offensive side of the ball and by decent I mean a similar performance to what Butler had last game without the defense of course(Danny's D was bad but it was expected).

    I guess I'm judging him for what he used to be and to me what I saw in preseason was not even close, I mean even Larry is talking about him having "a lot of rust".

    By the way all this was expected, it's expected for DG, it's expected for Drose, it's expected for Kobe, it's expected for a lot of players but Westbrook lol, like Larry said now the questions is how the knee is going to be able to handle real games and how his body is going to react, we hope is going to be positively but in my case I'm not counting on it.

    Edit: I got to watch every preseason game even that horrible game were the cameraman was zooming everybody man that was bad.
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    Indiana now is hoping for an early Christmas present as Granger is planning on a Dec. 20 return
    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/1...dec-16/#pacers

    I dont even know what to say...given the past, this date can change
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    I'm only asking this because I know many did not get the chance to see this game because it wasn't locally broadcast, but did you happen to see his final preseason game @CHI? I was luckily able to, and I truly think he looked much better that game than he had earlier in the preseason. Had he not been sat down with the calf, I was ready to think 'he's back' in my own mind based on how he was looking that night.
    Sure. But just remember that vnzla didn't like Danny's game BEFORE his injury. He's not likely to suddenly have faith in it now.
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    Sure. But just remember that vnzla didn't like Danny's game BEFORE his injury. He's not likely to suddenly have faith in it now.
    But Danny's role will be different now.
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    http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/1...dec-16/#pacers

    I dont even know what to say...given the past, this date can change

    Granger: ďI donít know if (fans) think weíre just machines that you just turn on and all of sudden weíre playing in rhythm. Every basketball player is a rhythm player. Itís takes awhile. Thatís why we have a preseason.
    I liked this part because it's too true, it's not like Granger is lazy and has a history of sitting out of games for the smallest things. Some people act like it's grangers choice to be hurt or his choice to have setbacks. That stuff happens regardless of what a player wants.

    For instance Jermaine kept coming back from injuries early to play, which caused him to have more injuries and miss more time. He got a lot of **** from fans/media for always being hurt.

    Now Granger is taking it slow coming back making sure he's healthy so it helps prevent additional injuries. And granger gets **** for "taking it too slow"

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    I liked this part because it's too true, it's not like Granger is lazy and has a history of sitting out of games for the smallest things. Some people act like it's grangers choice to be hurt or his choice to have setbacks. That stuff happens regardless of what a player wants.

    For instance Jermaine kept coming back from injuries early to play, which caused him to have more injuries and miss more time. He got a lot of **** from fans/media for always being hurt.

    Now Granger is taking it slow coming back making sure he's healthy so it helps prevent additional injuries. And granger gets **** for "taking it too slow"
    Bottom line you can't make everyone happy so don't try to make everyone happy. Just do what is for the best, and ignore if it makes people happy or not.

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    I'm just curious, did you expect this out of Rose, Koby, or Westbrook? Danny's knee looked fine during the preseason while playing heavy minutes and I'd say he looked very good in his last preseason game. I expect him to stick when he comes back and I kind of expected the same thing of the other 3.
    I expected Rose to battle with injuries, because he has a past of it.
    I expected Westbrook to bounce back because it was a MCL tear and he has no lingering injuries.
    I expect Kobe to play below his norm simply because his history and his age. Below his norm is 18ppg (42% fg/ 31% 3pt% 6apg 3rpg 5 turnovers per game). Eventually he will have another injury that will slow him down even more.

    To expect Danny to be in and out of the lineup like the poster you quoted is not hating or far fetched.
    1. He is older (granted not as old as Kobe, but not as young as Westbrook).
    2. He has a history of nagging injuries cramping his consistency.

    I personally expect the same. I hope for 10-18 mpg off the bench hitting the open 3 and playing good lowpost defense on big 3s and stretch 4s.

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    But Danny's role will be different now.
    Yes, this forum has a great history of having reasonable expectations for low-usage players.
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    I liked this part because it's too true, it's not like Granger is lazy and has a history of sitting out of games for the smallest things. Some people act like it's grangers choice to be hurt or his choice to have setbacks. That stuff happens regardless of what a player wants.

    For instance Jermaine kept coming back from injuries early to play, which caused him to have more injuries and miss more time. He got a lot of **** from fans/media for always being hurt.

    Now Granger is taking it slow coming back making sure he's healthy so it helps prevent additional injuries. And granger gets **** for "taking it too slow"
    I totally agree with you...Im not mad at Granger at all...I know it kills him to be sidelined

    Just imagine how great this team would be with a healthy Granger.
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    Not to come across as too much of a cynic, but I have to imagine at least a not so small portion of Granger's motivation to get back on the court is that next contract. He knows if he basically gets not court time for others to see his status, that he's going to literally be losing millions of dollars next summer. Not that I mind, I really don't care what motivates him. I'm just saying that there is a good deal of personal desire behind it to (as is probably the case w/ Lance...he doesn't have that much $ by NBA standards).

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    Not to come across as too much of a cynic, but I have to imagine at least a not so small portion of Granger's motivation to get back on the court is that next contract. He knows if he basically gets not court time for others to see his status, that he's going to literally be losing millions of dollars next summer. Not that I mind, I really don't care what motivates him. I'm just saying that there is a good deal of personal desire behind it to (as is probably the case w/ Lance...he doesn't have that much $ by NBA standards).
    Dunno, You could just as well argue that he's better off waiting as long as possible to get back into the game. As long as his legs check out fine over the summer, he's going to be in good shape. No team is gonna care if he waited an extra month if it means he's healthy, but he could lose some serious coin if he goes out and stinks it up.

    I've got to think the contract is a bigger deal to Lance than to Danny. Danny's already made serious money. Sure, he'd like to make more, but it won't change his life. His next contract won't be more than he's making now. Lance, on the other hand, is going to get a serious pay increase. His pay could go up by a factor of ten. So if anybody is playing for a paycheck right now, it's Lance.
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    Ok so I was watching stuff online and found the Pacers series against Miami, I remember the DG ankle injury but I never really cared to look at it closely, I found two videos were he got hurt during that series,I remember his comments of getting PRP done during that series, I also remember that he was rested in the last two games of the regular season, could it be possible that Lebron is the reason why he got hurt worse?

    Here is the first video:


    And the second video:




    Note that he is not putting weight on his left leg in both cases also remember that Danny has mentioned multiple times that he got hurt during that series.

    Let me know what you think.
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    Not to come across as too much of a cynic, but I have to imagine at least a not so small portion of Granger's motivation to get back on the court is that next contract. He knows if he basically gets not court time for others to see his status, that he's going to literally be losing millions of dollars next summer. Not that I mind, I really don't care what motivates him. I'm just saying that there is a good deal of personal desire behind it to (as is probably the case w/ Lance...he doesn't have that much $ by NBA standards).
    I don't that is cynical, just realistic. It is definitely one motivator, although I would say secondary. I have no doubt his number one motivator is just playing basketball competitively again. There isn't much worse for a basketball player than sitting on the sidelines watching your team play, but not being able to participate because of an injury.

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    Dunno, You could just as well argue that he's better off waiting as long as possible to get back into the game. As long as his legs check out fine over the summer, he's going to be in good shape. No team is gonna care if he waited an extra month if it means he's healthy, but he could lose some serious coin if he goes out and stinks it up.

    I've got to think the contract is a bigger deal to Lance than to Danny. Danny's already made serious money. Sure, he'd like to make more, but it won't change his life. His next contract won't be more than he's making now. Lance, on the other hand, is going to get a serious pay increase. His pay could go up by a factor of ten. So if anybody is playing for a paycheck right now, it's Lance.
    I do think the longer he takes to come back the smaller his contract will be. The more he plays, even if he stinks it up at first, the more he proves his knee won't be a problem. How poorly he starts doesn't matter as long as he plays well the majority of his time on the court, and finishes strong. Lance probably is more concerned about how much money he will make on his next contract, but don't doubt that Danny wants to prove that he is still worth a sizable contract.

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    Ok so I was watching stuff online and found the Pacers series against Miami, I remember the DG ankle injury but I never really cared to look at it closely, I found two videos were he got hurt during that series,I remember his comments of getting PRP done during that series, I also remember that he was rested in the last two games of the regular season, could it be possible that Lebron is the reason why he got hurt worse?

    Here is the first video:


    And the second video:




    Note that he is not putting weight on his left leg in both cases also remember that Danny has mentioned multiple times that he got hurt during that series.

    Let me know what you think.
    I don't really understand how a Pacers fan can't remember that. Maybe it's a symptom of our society.

    LeBron landed on DG's ankle after the three.

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    I don't that is cynical, just realistic. It is definitely one motivator, although I would say secondary. I have no doubt his number one motivator is just playing basketball competitively again. There isn't much worse for a basketball player than sitting on the sidelines watching your team play, but not being able to participate because of an injury.



    I do think the longer he takes to come back the smaller his contract will be. The more he plays, even if he stinks it up at first, the more he proves his knee won't be a problem. How poorly he starts doesn't matter as long as he plays well the majority of his time on the court, and finishes strong. Lance probably is more concerned about how much money he will make on his next contract, but don't doubt that Danny wants to prove that he is still worth a sizable contract.
    I agree, teams understand that it's a process for a player to come back 100%. Bird understood it when he signed West and said that he knew it would take a year. No one expects Kobe to come back in game 1 and score 30 points although he seems to be coming back rapidly. Playing below his norm for a period of time won't hurt his value like sitting will. As far as the Pacers go, he's going to have to go through that process anyway, I'd rather get him back now and get it started so he's ready when we need him most.

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    Coach Vogel confirms Danny Granger will play in tomorrow night's game.
    It's official. Danny is back. Now the question is for how long.
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    Hopefully this pans out and he plays tomorrow and beyond. We need to see what we have in him.

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    Can't wait to see Danny back on the court with these guys

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