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    Winning sure makes people happy.

    The Indiana Pacers are enjoying their best start as an NBA franchise and four-year guard Lance Stephenson is showing vast improvement as he adds raw energy and now a refined shooting touch to one of the best starting fives in the league.

    So, of course, it makes sense that Stephenson — who becomes an unrestricted free agent next summer — would have a positive outlook regarding his future with the team.

    Stephenson wants to stay with the Pacers, and his wish could very well come true.

    Although the Pacers have roughly $60 million in salary committed for the 2014-15 season —including two huge contracts belonging to Paul George and Roy Hibbert — when Stephenson hits the open market, Indiana can theoretically offer him a max five-year deal while still avoiding the NBA luxury tax.

    “I wouldn’t want to leave a good team like this. I definitely would love to come back,” Stephenson said. “I just love the city. I love the team. I love who I play with and I feel like we’re a young group and I think we should stick together.”

    Through five games this season, Stephenson is averaging 16.4 points, 6.2 rebounds and 4.6 assists per game. Although it may be early, the numbers far exceed his career averages (6.7 ppg, 3 rpg, 2.3 apg). Even more appealing, Stephenson has fixed his inconsistent jump shot and is now shooting 53.8 percent from 3-point range.

    While effortlessly stepping back into a starting role in the absence of veteran forward Danny Granger (strained left calf), who could be out two more weeks, Stephenson has formed a dynamic duet with George. Before Wednesday’s victory over Chicago, Stephenson and George ranked second in most points among Eastern Conference teammate duos behind only LeBron James and Chris Bosh.

    In the final year of his rookie contract, Stephenson will make $1,005,000 this season but could become an in-demand free agent by the summer. Still, he has made his preferred destination clear while keeping his faith in the Pacers front office.

    “The future holds itself,” Stephenson said, “and I think Larry (Bird) and the people upstairs will do anything to keep me here.”

    That “anything” can even surpass what another suitor can use to woo Stephenson.

    As the Pacers’ 2010 second-round draft pick, Stephenson is an eligible “Bird rights” player, which means he has spent at least three years with the same team. The “Bird rights” — named after team president Larry Bird during his playing days with the Boston Celtics — allows teams to exceed the salary cap by re-signing their own players. So, in theory, even with the eight guaranteed contracts for the 2014-15 season totaling approximately $60 million, the Pacers can use this exception to the cap and re-sign Stephenson with a “max” deal — which would be 25 percent of the salary cap. Since the 2014-15 salary cap will not be announced until next summer, the max is unknown.

    Also because of the “Bird rights,” Stephenson can get a five-year deal from Indiana while other teams can only offer four years.

    This season, Indiana is above the NBA salary cap set at $58.679 million but below the luxury tax level at $71.748 million. The team has traditionally operated under the tax threshold and can continue the trend even if it offers Stephenson a lucrative deal.

    Recent cases with breakout second-round picks suggest Stephenson could become a wealthy man next summer. Goran Dragic, the 45th pick in the 2008 draft, re-signed with Phoenix for a four-year deal worth $34 million. Also, DeAndre Jordan, who was picked 10 spots above Dragic in 2008, stayed with the Los Angeles Clippers after the team matched his four-year, $43 million offer sheet from Golden State.

    These are not direct comparisons but Stephenson, the 40th overall selection in 2010, can raise his stock if he maintains the current production.

    In October, Bird declined to discuss the summer free agency and the futures of Stephenson and Granger — “I’m not concerned about Lance, I’m not concerned about Danny. I’m just concerned about the guys we have and how we’re going to play going forward,” Bird said in an interview with The Star.

    Even so, Stephenson said that although he and Bird have not talked directly about the future, the president has shared encouraging signs with the player.

    “(Bird) basically says it when he sees me, so I don’t think we need to talk about it,” Stephenson said, then revealed Bird’s message to him: “‘You’re next.’ He’ll say stuff like that.”
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    Default Re: INDYSTAR: Lance wants 5 yr Max Contract

    Aren't we only allowed one 5-year max player? Isn't PG that player?
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    Aren't we only allowed one 5-year max player? Isn't PG that player?
    Nope. The Pacers, and any other NBA team, are only allowed to sign one player to a 5 year extension. The extension is important, because this year George (and John Wall of Washington) are essentially operating with 6 year deals.

    Once a player becomes a free agent, they are free to re-sign with their own team for 5 years. Remember, George Hill has a 5 year deal, and that didn't restrict the Pacers from extending Paul George for 5 years.
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    So it begins ... the distractions of success. *sigh*

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    I remember a tv show with bear asking for a cookie:

    not now, not ever, NEVER!

    8 mio per would be the max and if that aint enough and he is loud enough about it I would not even be amazed if LB trades him at the deadline for a pick or two
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    I remember a tv show with bear asking for a cookie:

    not now, not ever, NEVER!

    8 mio per would be the max and if that aint enough and he is loud enough about it I would not even be amazed if LB trades him at the deadline for a pick or two
    I agree if he can't be had for $8 million or less probably should just let him walk, but if he is going to be able to demand that kind of money I would rather keep him for a title run then trade him away for future uncertainty. This team has enough talent between Hill, George, and Hibbert (if Lance isn't back possibly Granger too) that going forward it is better to try and find pieces that fit well than spend a lot of money on Lance. Lance is playing great, this season will play an important role in winning a championship, but going forward if he can't be had at a reasonable price he is expendable.

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    The headline doesn't seem to match the content. All the quotes are just rhetoric about Lance wanting to stay in Indiana, and then a bunch of speculation from the author about what he potentially could get paid. But there's no indication in the text that Lance is expecting or gunning for a max contract.

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    The headline doesn't seem to match the content. All the quotes are just rhetoric about Lance wanting to stay in Indiana, and then a bunch of speculation from the author about what he potentially could get paid. But there's no indication in the text that Lance is expecting or gunning for a max contract.
    I thought so as well, but it's the actual title of her article which is why I put it down.
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    So who put the crappiest copy editor on staff with Candace?
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    So who put the crappiest copy editor on staff with Candace?
    I was just discussing this with someone else in reference to a different article - where the piece itself was quality and the title was WTF!? It's really a bummer that reporters don't write their own headlines routinely. I am glad I am not a reporter, as this would drive me bonkers. I have a friend in the industry (newspaper reporter) and he rants about this issue regularly.
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    tell em his dreaming...
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    This doesn't make any sense. Unless by max they are meaning in years.

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    Where the hell does Lance say anything about wanting a 5 year deal

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    Look at what Demar Derorzan got for his extension last year and it will make you not want to think of this until AFTER the season

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    Look at what Demar Derorzan got for his extension last year and it will make you not want to think of this until AFTER the season
    Yep. Even OJ Mayo is getting around $8 million a year. Lance, if he keeps this up, is no doubt a better player than those guys.

    It's actually REALLY possible we go into next year without Lance OR Danny.

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    Yep. Even OJ Mayo is getting around $8 million a year. Lance, if he keeps this up, is no doubt a better player than those guys.

    It's actually REALLY possible we go into next year without Lance OR Danny.
    If Copeland isn't traded by the deadline ( or the Pacers aren't able to figure out a way to clear an additional $2 to 3 mil in 2014-2015 Salary )....I will say that there is a very real possibility that this could happen.
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    There are a lot of people on here talking about filling out the bench if we sign Lance or Danny etc etc....Keep in mind that IF we keep playing like we are, and we can best the Heat, AND win a championship with this team, ALL THE WHILE maintaining our starting 5 with Scola still coming off the bench, would there not be veteran players willing to take a pay cut, ala Ray Allen, to get a legit run at a title?? I mean, sure we'd be picking up some older players at the end of their careers, but you preserve your championship core...Hell, who's to say that DG33 wouldn't give us a discount to get that ring with a team that has backed him since day one? There are plenty of players out there to fill spots with, even if they are players off the wire....There are so many what ifs, and possibilities, that it is almost painful to even begin to look at this situation this far out. Let the chips fall and see what happens....injuries, trades, and millions of other possible factors come into play....there are just too many unknowns at this point to even make a logical guess....

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    It's actually REALLY possible we go into next year without Lance OR Danny.
    Ironically perhaps, the best chance that we'll re-sign Danny is if the bidding on Lance gets out of hand.

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    Ironically perhaps, the best chance that we'll re-sign Danny is if the bidding on Lance gets out of hand.
    Yup, I would say the longer Lance plays like this the greater the odds we keep Granger instead of Lance simply because Lance will price himself out of range.

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    It's actually REALLY possible we go into next year without Lance OR Danny.
    I think it is still a possibility that we go into this year without Danny. Honestly if we can afford Lance, this decision is a no brainer. Lance is the easy choice.

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    wut

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    Man this article was totally confusing, I hope we don't draw too many conclusions, but knowing this board, I expect another 30 page thread about Lance.

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    Gosh I gotta reserve judgment. The article says nothing about the real numbers Lance could get, but the headline says MAX deal. Meaning a PG like contract? THis is terrible. I'm just wrought with ire over this right now. Somebody Tweet Lance and ask him to clarify.
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    Gosh I gotta reserve judgment. The article says nothing about the real numbers Lance could get, but the headline says MAX deal. Meaning a PG like contract? THis is terrible. I'm just wrought with ire over this right now. Somebody Tweet Lance and ask him to clarify.
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    Gosh I gotta reserve judgment. The article says nothing about the real numbers Lance could get, but the headline says MAX deal. Meaning a PG like contract? THis is terrible. I'm just wrought with ire over this right now. Somebody Tweet Lance and ask him to clarify.
    Or you could just tweet Candace. It's pretty clear that she did not write the headline...
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