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Five Thoughts Five Games In

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  • Five Thoughts Five Games In

    So we sit at 5-0 right now, only undefeated team in the league. Obviously I realize it is five games and there is a long season ahead. I completely acknowledge that there will be bumps in the road. But let’s have some fun and enjoy this. Cause guess what? We’re really freaking good.

    1. I’m sorry Miss Jackson, Paul George is for real.

    25.8ppg, 8.2rpg, 4apg, 1.8apg, 48 FG%, 44 3FG%
    No those aren’t LeBron James’ numbers. That is our very own Paul George. Those are jaw dropping numbers. Those are MVP numbers. Those are superstar numbers. I always thought PG could become a fantastic player, always thought of him like T-Mac in his prime on offense. And while not a perfect comparison, he’s showing why more than a few people drew the comparison. He just has such a complete game and makes it look so effortless. He can legit score from any point on the court. Great range on his 3 point shot, can get to the rim, his mid-range game has improved to a scary level. He just will hit jumpers that most NBA players have no business taking, including the PG of last year. He’s a playmaker on offense. Fantastic passer, gets everyone involved.

    Oh and did I mention he could win Defensive Player of the Year? We are being spoiled by this young man right now. The level he is playing at, I personally have not seen from a Pacer before (I am 23 and started following the Pacers in the mid-late 90’s). And quite frankly, the level he is playing at right now is probably only matched by Durant and LeBron in the NBA.

    Oh and he’s only 23.

    2. Deep Blue & Gold

    We aren’t even at full strength right now and its clear as day that the bench is vastly improved. Watson and Scola were fantastic additions. Watson has seamlessly filled in as the starter. Also nice to have a back up PG that can defend. Scola is still getting used to everything, as to be expected. Players are still getting used to him as well, as to be expected. But you could see it tonight, what this guy brings. Also:


    When George Hill and Danny Granger are back, this is actually just a stupid scary line up. Seven players who can go off for 20 points any given night. What is that even? How am I supposed to sit here and be calm at that thought? What a fantastic roster the front office has put together. Thank you Larry Bird and Kevin Pritchard.

    3. Roy Hibbert’s Block Party

    Five games, 26 blocks. Thats just ridiculous. He’s leading the league at 5.2 bpg. Anthony Davis is second at 4.0 bpg, also ridiculous. But Davis is playing 8 minutes more a game. Hibbert is averaging over 5 blocks per game in under 30 minutes per game. That’s just bananas. Tyson Chandler, regarded as one of the best defensive big men in the NBA was playing similar minutes and was averaging less than half the amount of blocks Hibbert is right now.

    Having an anchor like Hibbert is so valuable. Looking at some of the new Player Tracking stats from those fancy new cameras the NBA put in, they just show how awesome Roy really is. http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingD...rowsPerPage=25

    11 times a game players are meeting Roy at the rim and he’s only letting them score 31.8% of the time. NBA players are only scoring at the rim 31.8% of the time because of Roy. This lets our perimeter defense be so aggressive. I absolutely love when an opposing player gets the ball on the wing, and PG just feeds him into the Great Wall of Hibbert. Its so satisfying to watch. Roy wants DPoY. And right now he is running away with it.

    4. Lance Stephenson is That Guy

    A lot of teams have a guy that teams just hate to play against. Bulls have Noah. I can’t stand the guy. I don’t care how good he is. I hate everything about that guy. He gets under my skin. He’s probably the player I hate the most.

    Lance Stephenson is that guy for the Pacers. He chirps and barks at you on the court. He screams after he makes a play. He pisses opponents off. He pisses opposing fans off. And I ****ing love it! We finally have that guy. A lot of people classified Tyler as that guy, but he couldn’t back it up like Lance does. I don’t think he trash talked nearly as much either. Lance has always talked. Hell, he was throwing the choke sign at LeBron before he even played meaningful minutes. But now he’s out there, straight up killing people on the court. He’s backing it up now. He’s talking smack and then burning you.

    Lance is gonna **** off a lot of people this year. And I will love every minute of it.

    5. This team SHOULD win the NBA Championship

    We have the best starting 5 in the NBA and with the additions of Watson and Scola, we have one of the best benches in the NBA. Regardless of who starts between Granger and Stephenson, those statements will still hold true. We have a superstar in Paul George. Yes, he’s there. I’ve seen enough. This young man is just a beast. He has elevated his game to a level only few play at. We play as a team. Its not about one guy getting theirs. Its about winning the game. And thats how our guys play. We have the best defense in the league. Our length, athleticism, our anchor in Hibbert, its unmatched.

    We are 5-0. Sure its five games. But it’s more than that. Its that we were one game shy of the NBA Finals last season and the team has made improvements to the roster and players have improved individually. Best starting five in the association sees big improvements to PG, Lance and Hibbert. Best starting five in the association adds Watson, Scola, oh and Danny Granger.

    This team has the talent, the coach, the depth, the determination, and everything else needed to win it all. Not only do I think we can win it, I think we should. Yeah the Heat are a great team. So is San Antonio and OKC. But I am picking us to win a seven game series against any of them.



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    Re: Five Thoughts Five Games In

    All fine and dandy, but to be the man, you have got to beat the man.
    To be honest I am pumped as you are, and it's amazing that we're rolling
    without 2 starters on our team, But I have to temper my expectations. Right now I am
    worried about Fridays game. The Raptors have played us well. It's nice being a power house team and expecting a Win every single game.. But we still have plenty of
    work ahead.. I am being humbled as possible lol. It's hard but, when you have have such a great squad.


    I'm with you though.. And I wish for that Chip! Can you imagine what it will do for Paul's legacy?
    Here's to being the 04 pistons and cementing our name in the history books.

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      Re: Five Thoughts Five Games In

      Great thoughts there. I think we are starting to get some serious look as a contender with the way this team has been playing for the first 5 games. Small sample size, but with last year's ECF and with the series against Miami going to 7 games, the wins validate that last year's strength was no fluke.

      On George's numbers, I said it before but he is knocking on the gates of LeBron and Durant. But I see the scoring numbers go down a bit once our other guys get into the groove, not that he'll mind about it. If he can guide this team to the best record in the league, MVP and All-NBA 1st team consideration will not be out of reach for PG.

      It's still a bit early, but the Pacers should at least own the 2nd best record in the NBA, the best record would be much better. And I hope that they're aiming for a championship this year as they have the best chance of winning it this year with this current squad.

      Losses will come at some point, so for us fans, let's enjoy while it's still perfect. But the team should always remain focused as no matter how strong their start is, they are still not the title favorites while the current Heat squad is intact.
      Last edited by 15th parallel; 11-07-2013, 04:02 AM.

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        Re: Five Thoughts Five Games In

        Originally posted by picasso View Post
        All fine and dandy, but to be the man, you have got to beat the man.
        To be honest I am pumped as you are, and it's amazing that we're rolling
        without 2 starters on our team, But I have to temper my expectations. Right now I am
        worried about Fridays game. The Raptors have played us well. It's nice being a power house team and expecting a Win every single game.. But we still have plenty of
        work ahead.. I am being humbled as possible lol. It's hard but, when you have have such a great squad.


        I'm with you though.. And I wish for that Chip! Can you imagine what it will do for Paul's legacy?
        Here's to being the 04 pistons and cementing our name in the history books.
        I appreciate the 04 Pistons comparison, but to me Paul George is more talented than any individual player was on that team, we got ourselves a superstar guys, no need to be ashamed about it! If the Pacers win the title PG is going to need to be at the Kobe/LeBron/Pierce/06 Wade esque levels when they won their titles. Overall that Pistons team starting 5 was pretty amazing, but the Pacers are pretty close to it, but obviously they got to stay healthy.

        Got the team concept with that superstar going, the only problem is we're only 5 games in lol. Got a whole lot of basketball left to play, but there's no way you can't be really excited about this team.
        "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

        ----------------- Reggie Miller

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          Re: Five Thoughts Five Games In

          I'm excited to see what happen when we face OKC, Spurs, Heat, and Warriors.

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            Re: Five Thoughts Five Games In

            I loved that hustle getting back by Scola. So glad you posted that. To me, that was more impressive than his steal and lay up that preceded it.

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              Re: Five Thoughts Five Games In

              Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
              So we sit at 5-0 right now, only undefeated team in the league. Obviously I realize it is five games and there is a long season ahead. I completely acknowledge that there will be bumps in the road. But let’s have some fun and enjoy this. Cause guess what? We’re really freaking good.

              11 times a game players are meeting Roy at the rim and he’s only letting them score 31.8% of the time. NBA players are only scoring at the rim 31.8% of the time because of Roy.
              On the other hand, Roy only seems to score at the rim about 31.8% of the time.... (hopefully he gets it going though like he finally did last year)

              Great post! Enjoyed reading it!

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