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    Like to get some insight from Pacers fans on impact of losing Shaw this season and replacing him with Nate.

    Watching Vogel the other night contrasts in comparision to him as a rookie or even last year prior to playoffs in that he rides officials more than I am accustomed to seeing. Typically Vogel stands with arms crosses and has an everything is good look. The other nite vs NO's he was very much into it. To the point I thought he might get T'd up. lool. I still remember Frankie V's first T... I kept waiting for that one and I remember correctly it was against the Bulls. Coach Vogel had enough.

    I wonder if Shaw had a calming affect on Coach Vogel. I hated seeing Shaw go.. I think the players really respected him. But Shaw deserves the opportunity to coach in this league.

    How do you all see Nate impacting our coaching staff. I really like McMillen, just hoping he is a good fit here. I know his strengths I believe are defense but I may be wrong. He also won COY once didn't he.

    Overall, like to give it some time first but do you all see McMillen as solid replacement for Shaw?? How will Nate impact our team???

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    Like to get some insight from Pacers fans on impact of losing Shaw this season and replacing him with Nate.

    Watching Vogel the other night contrasts in comparision to him as a rookie or even last year prior to playoffs in that he rides officials more than I am accustomed to seeing. Typically Vogel stands with arms crosses and has an everything is good look. The other nite vs NO's he was very much into it. To the point I thought he might get T'd up. lool. I still remember Frankie V's first T... I kept waiting for that one and I remember correctly it was against the Bulls. Coach Vogel had enough.

    I wonder if Shaw had a calming affect on Coach Vogel. I hated seeing Shaw go.. I think the players really respected him. But Shaw deserves the opportunity to coach in this league.

    How do you all see Nate impacting our coaching staff. I really like McMillen, just hoping he is a good fit here. I know his strengths I believe are defense but I may be wrong. He also won COY once didn't he.

    Overall, like to give it some time first but do you all see McMillen as solid replacement for Shaw?? How will Nate impact our team???
    I doubt Shaw had a "calming" effect. Vogel actually lead the league in technicals by a coach last year.

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    Yeah Vogel was always getting on the refs last year. Frank has gotten himself ejected twice I believe. Him being more vocal with the refs just has to do with being more confident in his role and not being the new guy on the block. Being some young coach barking at the refs isn't going to get you anywhere.

    As for the differences in McMillen vs Shaw, we are going to have to wait and see. Nothing stood out to me in the first two games.

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    I doubt Shaw had a "calming" effect. Vogel actually lead the league in technicals by a coach last year.
    wow. I was not aware Coach Vogel was a hardass. lol.

    Thanks for the update! Pryor to last seasons playoffs, esp Knicks and Heat series. Coach Vogel just always seemed calm cool and relaxed. Looks like to me him ripping officials is carrying forward to this year.

    Pacers have earned the respect.
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    I doubt Shaw had a "calming" effect. Vogel actually lead the league in technicals by a coach last year.
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    wow. I was not aware Coach Vogel was a hardass. lol.

    Thanks for the update! Pryor to last seasons playoffs, esp Knicks and Heat series. Coach Vogel just always seemed calm cool and relaxed. Looks like to me him ripping officials is carrying forward to this year.

    Pacers have earned the respect.
    I think he is usually just very selective as to when he yells at a ref.

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    Not hard to believe that Vogel's been intense in our first two games... they've been really intense games. Hard to believe it's just November. If it goes like this all year, I'm gonna be a nervous wreck.

    It's interesting, though, that I haven't noticed much from Nate and Popeye. I'll have to pay closer attention. Very good question.
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    Popeye has gotten some burn on the radio shows recently.
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    What exactly are we expecting to see during the games to give us an indication of the contributions of Popeye Jones or Nate McMillan? I would think we'll learn a lot more from Candace Buckner when/if she reports on them later in the season. I feel like it was the stories written about Brian Shaw that showed me his value, not watching him during a game.

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    Impossible to answer

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    Agreed. You probably won't be able to tell much of a difference as a fan.

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    Impossible to answer
    And even if we could, wouldn't it be too soon to say?

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    More or less I am asking what impact do we expect from Nate McMillen. I agree you cant determine much from watching the coaches on the bench. Just asking more about Nate McMillen and what are considered to be his strengths and weaknesses.

    I know he had a stint with the Supersonics I believe, wondering if there were any tendencies that could be identified from previous coaching experiences.

    My understanding of McMillen is that he is a very good defensive minded coach.?

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    I'd have to find it but I'm not going to, but I remember reading on BlazersEdge (which is pretty great) that McMillan's defensive rep is sort of overstated but hes underrated offensively. Something about his teams being pretty well rated in offensive rating, they just played at such a slow pace that people had a negative reception despite good results.

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    I'd have to find it but I'm not going to, but I remember reading on BlazersEdge (which is pretty great) that McMillan's defensive rep is sort of overstated but hes underrated offensively. Something about his teams being pretty well rated in offensive rating, they just played at such a slow pace that people had a negative reception despite good results.
    On the broadcast tonight, when Mahinmi made the slick bounce pass in the paint to Lance, they talked about Coach McMillan being pleased with the play. It gives you the idea that he's actively installing quirks to our plays that maybe we didn't have before. Maybe he's a bit more of an "x's and o's" coach whereas Vogel and Shaw were both players coaches and adept at getting the players to buy into the team philosophy.

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    On the broadcast tonight, when Mahinmi made the slick bounce pass in the paint to Lance, they talked about Coach McMillan being pleased with the play. It gives you the idea that he's actively installing quirks to our plays that maybe we didn't have before. Maybe he's a bit more of an "x's and o's" coach whereas Vogel and Shaw were both players coaches and adept at getting the players to buy into the team philosophy.
    Yeah, it feels like a lot of people thought Vogel was just some cheerleader or something when Shaw was here and Shaw was the real genius behind our turnaround, which was disrespectful to Frank at best, ignorant at worst. That always really, really bugged me. Now Shaw's trying to bring a philosophy to a Denver roster that just isn't conducive to it all and that just flies in the face of that perception. I don't think Frank built his philosophy on dogma and ingrained beliefs, I think it was entirely based on the roster presented to him and now the roster's being more tailored to that vision.

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    No difference whatsoever. Brian Shaw was the most overhyped assistant coach in Pacers history. I liked Shaw, but c'mon, he WAS AN ASSISTANT COACH
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    On the broadcast tonight, when Mahinmi made the slick bounce pass in the paint to Lance, they talked about Coach McMillan being pleased with the play. It gives you the idea that he's actively installing quirks to our plays that maybe we didn't have before. Maybe he's a bit more of an "x's and o's" coach whereas Vogel and Shaw were both players coaches and adept at getting the players to buy into the team philosophy.
    I heard that remark too. They called it a pocket pass (which is a real thing, cause I just googled it to see if I had the term right). At the time I got the impression that McMillan had been working with the bench players and that the pocket pass was something he was emphasizing.

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    No difference whatsoever. Brian Shaw was the most overhyped assistant coach in Pacers history. I liked Shaw, but c'mon, he WAS AN ASSISTANT COACH
    Actually, he was an ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH.

    For those of you that miss seeing Brian Shaw, NBA.com's got a couple clips of him running drills with some Nuggets in practice:
    http://allball.blogs.nba.com/2013/11...ds-by-example/

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