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    Because he's collected two DNP's in the first two games of the season. Even the rookie Hill got a chance against Orlando.

    There are 80 games left and I'll try to remain optimistic, but its' certainly not an ideal start for Copeland.
    Except that it was expected for Copeland to receive DNPs. West and Scola are healthy and they fill a 48 minute PF rotation. Hill played because Danny is out. Copeland is NOT going to see a lot of minutes at SF. Vogel has been pretty clear on that.
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    People don't believe in Copeland because they don't like his game in general and/or because he didn't shoot well in preseason.
    It's just like Plumlee all over again. People allow their dislike for a player's game to skew their perception and they are too quick to judge someone before he steps foot on the floor.
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    Why couldn't Copeland play SF?

    Vogel would have found a way to play Cope if he felt he would help the team win.
    Because Copeland at SF works only if the opponent has a PF guarding him. That's why the Knicks used to play Copeland at SF with Melo at PF. The opposition's SF would guard Melo (because PFs are not fast enough to guard Melo) and thus the opposing PF would be forced to guard Copeland on the perimeter which gives him a speed advantage.

    Copeland is best used at PF for two reasons:

    1) He forces one of the opposition's bigs to chase him at the perimeter which allows our C more space for an offensive rebound.

    2) He is willing to be physical in the post so he can guard PFs but he is too slow to defend SFs on the perimeter.
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    Let's imagine you're Vogel and you decided Cope is a 3. You need to bring someone in off the bench. PG needs a break, so you're bringing in someone to defend either Jimmy butler or Luol Deng. You can bring in Cope. Good shooter. NO DEFENSE AT ALL. OR you can bring in OJ who in my opinion is a BETTER shooter and he PLAYS DEFENSE. What do you do??
    I wouldn't say that OJ is a better shooter than Cope. You could argue that OJ is a better scorer than Cope because he is better at drawing fouls but as a pure shooter I'd take Cope (although OJ is pretty damn good as well). OJ is certainly a better defender, though. Especially against wings. Cope is too slow to defend most wings.
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    Where is Copeland? Not on the Knicks or Heat where he would be better utilized, I hope he sits on that bench all year, where he should be for this team.
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    Another thing, as I was watching the games, I never was thinking, we need more shooting on the floor. With how well Scola can hit the 18 ft jumpers, we are good there. Always seemed as though we had enough good shooitng on the court.
    That's a good point, Unclebuck. We have shot fairly well in the first two games. We have hit 17 of our 40 3 point attempts which is a very good percentage (42.5%). As long as PG, Lance and Hill are shooting well from 3 then there is really no need for a specialist.

    You also mentioned Scola. He is shooting 63.6% as well so we retain our offensive spacing at all times.

    On an irrelevant note, PG is posting a 30.2 PER so far. Let's hope that he keeps it up
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    In a broader career arc I agree with you, but Cope right now is better than a declining MM or Shane last year (who retired right?).
    Battier didn't retire. He just shot 1/8 against the Sixers.
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    You also mentioned Scola. He is shooting 63.6% as well so we retain our offensive spacing at all times.
    I know another poster said this almost exact point in another thread, but I was saying it the very first jumper Luis hit: He's already hit more midrange shots through 2 games than Tyler did in an entire month. It was such a delight to watch Scola come off those two curls and just bang them through the hoop. Having another player you can get the ball too, and have faith he'll score or make the right play, is such a luxury.
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    I have no problem with Copeland the player. His defense leaves a lot to be desired, but so does Scola's. I think in the post he is probably an adequate defender, just has trouble outside the post. Offensively his biggest weapon is his shooting, but he can do more than just shoot. If a PF is guarding him he can drive past him, and I bet if a SF is guarding him he can post him up. He is a tweener, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he is the bad kind of tweener.

    My problem is with Copeland the contract. Simple, $3 million is too much for a 3rd string player. I understand that we didn't know we would have Scola when we signed him, but now that we do I would prefer trying to move him for cap space. I am sure there is some team out there that would love to have him on their team.

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    He kind of reminds me of an older James Posey when he was on the Pacers. Too slow to guard smaller forwards and too small to guard any power forwards. I think he is great to have for special situations and matchups though.
    I think he'll guard PFs better than Posey did when he was here. I think he's a little thicker/stronger, too.

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    I have no problem with Copeland the player. His defense leaves a lot to be desired, but so does Scola's. I think in the post he is probably an adequate defender, just has trouble outside the post. Offensively his biggest weapon is his shooting, but he can do more than just shoot. If a PF is guarding him he can drive past him, and I bet if a SF is guarding him he can post him up. He is a tweener, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he is the bad kind of tweener.
    That's a pretty accurate description.

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    My problem is with Copeland the contract. Simple, $3 million is too much for a 3rd string player. I understand that we didn't know we would have Scola when we signed him, but now that we do I would prefer trying to move him for cap space. I am sure there is some team out there that would love to have him on their team.
    I agree that 3 million is too much for a 3rd string. However, he wasn't thought of as a 3rd string player when we signed him. The opportunity to get Scola arose after we had already signed him.

    If his contract gets us into any kind of trouble re-signing Lance then I'm pretty sure that he will be moved. No reason to do so if it doesn't cause any problems, though.
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    It's been a handful of games, let's all calm down. I'm sure he'll find a way to eventually work his way into the rotation.
    Exactly what I was thinking, the guys that are so quick to dismiss him are gonna be the same one's saying how they knew it all along!!!!! When he gets it going

    If Copeland was our first solution for backup PF, than that SCARES ME (THANK GOD WE GOT SCOLA)...

    Either way I think he has value, he'd be a nice addition in a package if that's what we decide to do. (You can't ignore what he did in NY)

    I just hope he's ready when he's called upon, his preseason shooting woes, mixed with sitting his *** down for the first few games could KILL a weak minds confidence... Let's hope that's not Copeland!

    I think he will be alright.. We have a really good roster, EVERYONE can't play all the time! GO PACERS!
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    I agree that 3 million is too much for a 3rd string.
    It's pretty much the value that the Pacers put on the 3rd string wing/big. For example, Dahntay Jones and Lou Amundson were both getting just under 3M. (2.7 each) It's basically what a 1st round player makes at the end of their rookie deal (actually less) so it's not really all that big IMHO.
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    It's pretty much the value that the Pacers put on the 3rd string wing/big. For example, Dahntay Jones and Lou Amundson were both getting just under 3M. (2.7 each) It's basically what a 1st round player makes at the end of their rookie deal (actually less) so it's not really all that big IMHO.
    Well, Dahntay and Lou weren't 3rd stringers. Other than that you make a pretty good point.
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    I was one of the ones who was confused by the signing. I hated the signing when it went down and I still hate it. He is on the bench where he belongs. He's very very lazy, slow, and un-athletic. He cant play any defense and has no ball handling skills. He shoots 3s. And doesnt make very many. Its not hard for anyone to be able to shoot 3s.

    If I was the coach he wouldnt even be in a jersey, he would be in a suit.

    Awful hair too.
    Here we come lottery?

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    He's very very lazy.
    That's absolutely untrue. How do you think that a guy as unathletic as he is made it to the NBA? The guy busted his *** off in Europe for 5 years just to make it to the NBA. He isn't lazy at all.
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    That's absolutely untrue. How do you think that a guy as unathletic as he is made it to the NBA? The guy busted his *** off in Europe for 5 years just to make it to the NBA. He isn't lazy at all.
    He just doesn't like him. He probably wanted Carl Landry and made a decision to never like Copeland at all for his entire Pacers career when we signed Cope, guaranteeing Landry couldn't be a Pacer.

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