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    Pacers start 0-3 during the preseason, and we're ready to declare the season toast in terms relative to the Pacers goals.
    Copeland doesn't play in the first two games, and suddenly the guy isn't good enough to ever get playing time.

    Maybe I need to dig up the patience song from Barney, because it really is virtue that needs to be demonstrated a little bit more.
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    Pacers start 0-3 during the preseason, and we're ready to declare the season toast in terms relative to the Pacers goals.
    Copeland doesn't play in the first two games, and suddenly the guy isn't good enough to ever get playing time.

    Maybe I need to dig up the patience song from Barney, because it really is virtue that needs to be demonstrated a little bit more.

    I don't really care because I don't think this guy is very important to our success this season. More than anything, I'm worried that his contract will get in the way of re-signing Lance. But all you can do is analyze what's happened so far, and starting the season with two DNP's isn't exactly a high note. When things change over the next 80 games, then will analyze as it happens.

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    Lol at this video, "Pacers are going to trade Granger so Copeland can start"

    and on the highlight video they show him burning Pendegraph in garbage time

    I also love the Pacers future star thing hahahaha

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    Pacers start 0-3 during the preseason, and we're ready to declare the season toast in terms relative to the Pacers goals.
    Copeland doesn't play in the first two games, and suddenly the guy isn't good enough to ever get playing time.

    Maybe I need to dig up the patience song from Barney, because it really is virtue that needs to be demonstrated a little bit more.
    Vogel anounced at the start of pre-season Copeland was a 4.

    So lets do this by the numbers. Things we know:

    1. David West is our starting powerforward.
    2. Scola is a backup powerforward.
    3. Copeland is the next powerforward in line.

    Where in the hell does this leave any minutes for Cope???? I mean none of this is new, none of this overreacting, in fact I'm pointing out something that everyone should have known weeks ago if they were paying attention. Cope isn't going to get much playing time.

    I'm sure there will be games when Vogel wants to stretch the floor and Cope gets some solid playing time. But on a night to night basis, he'll generally be at the end of the bench.
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    I don't really care because I don't think this guy is very important to our success this season. More than anything, I'm worried that his contract will get in the way of re-signing Lance. But all you can do is analyze what's happened so far, and starting the season with two DNP's isn't exactly a high note. When things change over the next 80 games, then will analyze as it happens.
    I remember people saying the exact same things about Lance "Well if he's so talented, why doesn't he get to play?" It's a tad bit more complicated than just looking at a box score.


    And honestly, I have more faith in Larry than thinking Chris Copeland and his pretty small contract is really going to be the stopper on re-signing Lance.
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    Lastly, I need to say it again. You may want to argue that Cope should get minutes at the 3. Let's ignore the fact that this isn't happening because Vogel specifically said Copeland is NOT a 3.

    Let's imagine you're Vogel and you decided Cope is a 3. You need to bring someone in off the bench. PG needs a break, so you're bringing in someone to defend either Jimmy butler or Luol Deng. You can bring in Cope. Good shooter. NO DEFENSE AT ALL. OR you can bring in OJ who in my opinion is a BETTER shooter and he PLAYS DEFENSE. What do you do??

    This is not hard. THis is not overreacting. This is simple ****. Let's not blow it out of proportion. =)
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    I'm sure there will be games when Vogel wants to stretch the floor and Cope gets some solid playing time. But on a night to night basis, he'll generally be at the end of the bench.
    Agreed. I really don't think he was signed to be the backup 4. He just doesn't really fit the total team identity. He's a change of pace kind of guy, giving you an option when you need it, rather than THE option.

    EDIT: Which is why I said patience, because I think we'll end up seeing the value Copeland brings later on, when a situation calls to go small.
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    I didn't say that Hill had anything to do with Copeland playing. All I'm saying is that Vogel gave Hill a chance. He hasn't given one to Copeland yet. If he felt that Copeland had earned it, then he would have figured a way out to give him some clock.
    All hyperbole to me. Lets take it one step farther. Vogel gave GG numerous chances.. so oh my gosh guess that means Copeland really sucks. Were 2 games in and already we need to find a way to trade Copeland to keep Lance. Lets all try to keep things in perspective and realize who is in charge here. Its Larry Bird and with all due respect to PD GM's everywhere.. I got faith in the LEGEND.

    Point is. This is not the same team as last season. No Shaw enter Nate. Granger was out and Pacers do expect him back soon. The bench has been overhauled. Therefore, whose given minutes and when is something Vogel will tinker with all season.

    Copeland will contribute at some point, but right now who do you want Vogel to play Copeland over.? If Cope is a PF then DWEST and Scola are getting the minutes. This is more an issue of a team being stocked at a position and not having the room to play everyone. That's all it really is.

    Im neutral on Cope. Between 3M for Cope or 4.5 for Tyler its prob best to go Cope and less years. I liked Hansbroughs game but its replaceable. Copeland can shoot, and when he was signed I just considered it a cheaper version of JJ Redick or Kyle Korver except at a different position.

    Hate to say it yall, but Pacers still have scoring droughts. This will probably improve significantly as chemistry increases and Granger returns. But game 7 of the ECF was another reason this team needed a knockdown shooter off the bench. Copeland can take a team down 15 and shoot us back into the game quick. the role GG came in to play that game. still preferred Pulp at that time but Coach Vogel knows best. anyways, if we got cope instead of GG.. hell there is a chance we come back and win game 7.

    Evidenced by the NY vs IN ECSF Copeland can light it up.

    This teams consists of role players and specialists by design


    Hill - leader PG
    George - Superstar
    Granger - solid vet and leader
    DWEST - solid and a real team leader, physical presence
    Hibbs - the Big Man in the middle

    Scola - leader for our bench, a winner, and savvy vet
    Lance - energy, creative, brash, fearless
    OJ - Pulp - lovin his ability to score off the bench
    Mahinmi - D Rebounding
    Watson - solid backup pg

    Solo - rook
    Copeland - lights out shooter with a lot of instant offense (pacers fans will be glad we got him if any of our bigs miss a few games.
    sloan - tbd


    * anyone who wants to gripe and moan about Cope sitting on the bench and that Bird is not the best damn Executive in the League need to remember that Bird also removed 3.3 M of worthless roster space in GG for Scola that was made after the fact Cope was signed.

    Let me break it down.

    Scola >>> Cope >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GG sucks.

    or simply choose:


    Hansbrough , GG

    or

    Scola , Cope




    Bird wins this team a championship and I don't think Simon is going to care about 2M in LT for a season.

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    Vogel anounced at the start of pre-season Copeland was a 4.

    So lets do this by the numbers. Things we know:

    1. David West is our starting powerforward.
    2. Scola is a backup powerforward.
    3. Copeland is the next powerforward in line.

    Where in the hell does this leave any minutes for Cope???? I mean none of this is new, none of this overreacting, in fact I'm pointing out something that everyone should have known weeks ago if they were paying attention. Cope isn't going to get much playing time.

    I'm sure there will be games when Vogel wants to stretch the floor and Cope gets some solid playing time. But on a night to night basis, he'll generally be at the end of the bench.
    Good post. I honestly think him being anything more than a third string would be a mistake. Not strong enough to be a 4, not good enough at defense to be a three, and all he is is a shooter. I agree on the poor mans Troy Murphy comparison.

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    Why couldn't Copeland play SF?

    Vogel would have found a way to play Cope if he felt he would help the team win.
    Same reason you wouldn't want Al Harrington at SF after he tore his ACL in 2002: Defense. He can somewhat play it at 4, but not really at 3. Add that up with the fact that his offensive game is maximized at the 4 (considering his speed (or lack thereof for a wing), face up game, and even a bit of a post game, and that's just who he is. It's almost like thinking Dirk Nowitzki is a small forward just because he has a jumpshot and a 3 ball.

    All the factors add up to him being best suited to play PF, and he can do that better than he can play SF, which he's not great at. Mix in Scola, and he's just the odd man out the way Pendergraph was. Jeff didn't suck, but he was stuck behind West and Hansbrough.

    West and Scola should play PF before Copeland should.

    But Paul George, Danny, Stephenson, and unless he's just sucking it up with rookie-ness, even Solomon should play SF before Copeland should. Possibly Rasual Butler as well.

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    Vogel anounced at the start of pre-season Copeland was a 4.

    So lets do this by the numbers. Things we know:

    1. David West is our starting powerforward.
    2. Scola is a backup powerforward.
    3. Copeland is the next powerforward in line.

    Where in the hell does this leave any minutes for Cope???? I mean none of this is new, none of this overreacting, in fact I'm pointing out something that everyone should have known weeks ago if they were paying attention. Cope isn't going to get much playing time.

    I'm sure there will be games when Vogel wants to stretch the floor and Cope gets some solid playing time. But on a night to night basis, he'll generally be at the end of the bench.
    Right. I think this is pretty simple and unsurprising. I've expected this since they made it explicitly clear they didn't see him as much of a SF. Once I knew for sure they saw him as a PF, the writing was on the wall. He's a situational substitution who originally would have been the backup PF if we could not have acquired Scola. Now being deep is something to complain about because of his money, I guess, even though we know exactly why it went that way due to chronology.

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    As far as I'm concerned, if Copeland plays a vital role in a playoff win, he'll earn his keep. Bonus points if he does that during the regular season.

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    Right. I think this is pretty simple and unsurprising. I've expected this since they made it explicitly clear they didn't see him as much of a SF. Once I knew for sure they saw him as a PF, the writing was on the wall. He's a situational substitution who originally would have been the backup PF if we could not have acquired Scola. Now being deep is something to complain about because of his money, I guess, even though we know exactly why it went that way due to chronology.
    Plus with how well Ian has played in these first two games, there's been very little need to even consider going to a two-power forward lineup. I think Copeland may see some time against small frontcourts this season if Ian is also struggling at the same time.

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    I respect Cope's ability to knock down 3's, obviously I hope he does great this season, but right now I would rather have Jeff Pendergraph than two Copelands for the price of one. WE shoulda kept Jeff. Dude was an animal

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    As far as I'm concerned, if Copeland plays a vital role in a playoff win, he'll earn his keep. Bonus points if he does that during the regular season.
    You are making it sound like we got Ray Allen, I'm sorry but if the guy is not good enough to play during the regular season he is not good enough to play during the playoffs.

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    Another thing, as I was watching the games, I never was thinking, we need more shooting on the floor. With how well Scola can hit the 18 ft jumpers, we are good there. Always seemed as though we had enough good shooitng on the court.

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    You are making it sound like we got Ray Allen, I'm sorry but if the guy is not good enough to play during the regular season he is not good enough to play during the playoffs.
    Tell that to Mike Miller and Shane Battier when they played the Pacers in the playoffs.

    I really like Copeland as a situational player. A fairly fresh Copeland could be a massive asset in the playoffs when a lot of good scorers are playing on worn out legs. I'm not saying he can sit out the whole regular season but it doesn't bother me if he doesn't play every game.

    We are really arguing about a conflict of having a lot of pretty good players.
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    Tell that to Mike Miller and Shane Battier when they played the Pacers in the playoffs.

    I really like Copeland as a situational player. A fairly fresh Copeland could be a massive asset in the playoffs when a lot of good scorers are playing on worn out legs. I'm not saying he can sit out the whole regular season but it doesn't bother me if he doesn't play every game.

    We are really arguing about a conflict of having a lot of pretty good players.
    Cope is not as good as MM or Battie and sure we have a lot of good players but he is not one of them.

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    Cope is not as good as MM or Battie and sure we have a lot of good players but he is not one of them.
    In a broader career arc I agree with you, but Cope right now is better than a declining MM or Shane last year (who retired right?).

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    I hope Copeland doesn't need to play one minute.

    However, our two power forwards are the two oldest players on our team. Chances are, Copeland will see some time this year at the 4. If that's the case, he may end up being handy.
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    I don't know enough about Copeland, but if he is a rhythm shooter, then he needs enough playing time and shots to get into his rhythm, otherwise he'll never get hot and then you might as well not play him at all.

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    In a broader career arc I agree with you, but Cope right now is better than a declining MM or Shane last year (who retired right?).
    Cope is still not better than those guys, MM with a bad back and shoulder is still better than Cope.

    Battie didn't retire by the way I think you are confused with Howard.

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    I don't know enough about Copeland, but if he is a rhythm shooter, then he needs enough playing time and shots to get into his rhythm, otherwise he'll never get hot and then you might as well not play him at all.
    Just recall our series versus the Knicks for your answer. He came cold off the bench in game 6 and started drilling 3's against us.

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    He kind of reminds me of an older James Posey when he was on the Pacers. Too slow to guard smaller forwards and too small to guard any power forwards. I think he is great to have for special situations and matchups though.

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    Lol at this video, "Pacers are going to trade Granger so Copeland can start"

    and on the highlight video they show him burning Pendegraph in garbage time

    I also love the Pacers future star thing hahahaha
    That dude definitely overhyped him...

    The most shocking thing I heard though was that "Bird tweeted"... I cant believe he actually has a twitter handle... No way in hell Legend has ever personally tweeted...
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