Why don't we delay this discussion until Danny returns, plays off the bench and proves he's healthy and more capable than Lance. When that happens, let him be Paul's Robin or whatever you want.
...or do you want to play Danny at half speed with the starters and risk home court? Is that really a bright idea?
Both Danny and Lance will be getting plenty of run with the starters that chemistry will not be a problem.
Regardless of who starts and who comes off the bench, both will see similar minutes and will play with both the first and second unit. Even with Granger out, Vogel has Lance as the first starter out. Thats because he wants Lance to run with the second unit and to have the keys to the offense.
During the pre-season did you see Danny playing fine with the second unit? I certainly didn't. On the other hand, he looked great when he played with the starters. Then again it was a small sample size and it was pre-season as well. So, we will. There is a big possibility that this whole discussion becomes moot.
I'd say that the starting unit needed more spacing last year. Not scoring in general but spacing in particular. We need to have good shooters out there with the starting line-up in order to make teams think twice before doubling our bigs. That's why Hill is so important as a starter for us.
If you asked me before the season I'd say that Danny provides better spacing because this is what the numbers indicate. However, Lance is shooting so well at the moment that he is making that point moot. Right now he seems like an awesome fit in both units and I'm extremely glad about that.
Let's ask this same question about the bench though. What does the bench needs? More scoring or a facilitator? Well, let's see what our bench players can do offensively:
Watson: Very good 3 point shooter. Mostly a spot up player that plays off the ball. Not a facilitator.
Orlando Johnson: Good scorer. Nice 3 point shot, strong on drives. He can play on the post a bit and create scoring opportunities for himself. He is not a facilitator, though.
Luis Scola: Killer mid-range jumper out of the Pick and Pop. Crafty player in the low post with an array of post moves. Good passer that can facilitate out of the high post. He can create for himself and facilitate a bit for others but you cannot base your playmaking on him.
Ian Mahinmi: Put backs and finishing on some PnRs.
I'd say that this bench needs a facilitator. They have some good scoring in Scola, OJ and CJ but they don't have the player that can create for everyone else.
If people are still calling for Lance to come off of the bench after playing so phenomenally well, then it really starts to seem like the main reason for that is that they simply want to see Granger start at all costs. The whole "Lance needs to come off of the bench so that he has the ball in his hands" thing doesn't really fly when he is starting and controlling the ball plenty in his current role. And you can't say that he's getting in the way of PG since PG is off to a ridiculously great start.
Once again you're putting too much emphasis into "starting" and you completely disregard fit.
What happens if Danny plays, gets up to maybe 85%, then he builds up enough scar tissue (again) by March that he can't finish the season? All that time spent when Lance could be fine tuning his game with the starters?
Based on my readings, that tendon will never be the same physically. It has been operated on and scraped. There will always be scar tissue and I suspect it will be more susceptible to inflammation and building up more of it.
What a shame if that happens when we could have used Danny as a "plus" for the bench. Instead, he upsets the starting unit that will indeed close the vast majority of the time, particularly in the playoffs against Miami.
This isn't meant to sound cold, but our team isn't about what makes Granger looks best. He hasn't been a part of this team since the end of 11-12, and several guys' roles have changed since then while the team made it to Game 7 of the ECF's. It's looking like the Pacers will be at their best with the current starting lineup. Even if Granger looks better with the starters, it's still a bad move overall if the team itself isn't as strong. This team shouldn't revolve around doing what's easiest for Granger.
I have already answered your questions so I will just quote myself:
Edit: the thought of an aging and, at best, recovering Granger guarding LeBron James is a HORRIBLE thought.
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I think that the Pacers will need to clear $2 to 3 mil in salary cap to offer Lance such an offer.
Last edited by CableKC; 11-02-2013 at 11:53 PM.
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A team plays at its best when its players play at their best. It's really, really simple.
Hibbert at his best + West at his best + PG at his best + Lance at his best + George Hill at his best + Danny at his best + Scola at his best + Ian at his best + CJ Watson at his best + Orlando Johnson at his best + Solomon Hill at his best = Indiana Pacers at their best.
The goal is to have this team play at its best, right? Isn't this what we want to do?
Lance has played 100 games with the starters between last season, post season and this season. Even if he comes off the bench, Lance will still play with the starters. As well as practice with the starters.
I don't know why so many Lance "supporters" are acting like if Lance comes off the bench, he won't get any burn with the first unit. And if he does start, Danny won't get any time with the starters. Thats not how its going to work. You can see that right now with how Vogel is using Lance. If Granger starts all season until March and goes down with an injury, Lance's chemistry with the starters is the last thing I'm worried about. Because he will have chemistry with the starters, he already does. Thats not just going to disappear. It doesn't work like that.