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Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

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  • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

    Couple things on the game last night..

    I think Frank has shown all last season and again last night that he is fantastic at making half time adjustments. The only thing the Magic had going for them in the first half was the PnR, 2nd half we were going under that pick and it was game over. Great bit of awareness and adjustment by the coaching staff.

    Orlando Johnson is my favorite bench player.... his skills, work ethic and personality, just love how he goes about his business.

    Lances performance last night makes any debate on whether he should be starting or not seem silly.

    Roy, Paul, David did what they are supposed to do when they are anchoring a team with title hopes.

    and lastly... sure we can beat teams like the Magic even when we turn the ball over that many times... but we won't be able to beat Miami until we can find a solution to that particular problem. arrrghhh... turnovers are surely this teams achilles heel and it ticks me off.

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    • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

      Originally posted by FireTheCoach View Post
      Couple things on the game last night..

      I think Frank has shown all last season and again last night that he is fantastic at making half time adjustments. The only thing the Magic had going for them in the first half was the PnR, 2nd half we were going under that pick and it was game over. Great bit of awareness and adjustment by the coaching staff.

      Orlando Johnson is my favorite bench player.... his skills, work ethic and personality, just love how he goes about his business.

      Lances performance last night makes any debate on whether he should be starting or not seem silly.

      Roy, Paul, David did what they are supposed to do when they are anchoring a team with title hopes.

      and lastly... sure we can beat teams like the Magic even when we turn the ball over that many times... but we won't be able to beat Miami until we can find a solution to that particular problem. arrrghhh... turnovers are surely this teams achilles heel and it ticks me off.
      first game of the year, we will be fine. Everyone is still getting used to being back on the floor.
      Smothered Chicken!

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      • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

        As far as the game goes, watching Lance handle the ball was superb. I didn't think he got to handle the ball much with the starters, I thought he did his damage with them by getting on the offensive boards, but if he's going to make decisions like he did last night then I'd love to see him start and have GHill play off the ball and be the guy who goes to the corner, which I think he's much better suited to do.

        Usually Lance likes trying to force things, but last night he would attempt something and immediately recognize it wasn't going to work and then bail out. I didn't think the Lance would have the maturity to recognize it, which I don't think is a bad thing.

        I walked away thinking Lance looked the best with the bench though, because anything that gives him more freedom to operate is a good thing.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

          Originally posted by FireTheCoach View Post
          Lances performance last night makes any debate on whether he should be finishing or not seem silly.
          Fixed.

          I think there is some merit for those of us considering a Ginobli/Jason Terry role off the bench. But even if Danny comes back fairly healthy, Lance should be finishing, regardless of whether he starts or not.
          "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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          • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

            On the Peyton vs Victor thing: Football and Basketball are a slightly different watching experience. Football is very structured in the "Yell at the opposing offense, Quiet for the offense, except on a completed play," thing. I also think there's a bit more of the 'we want to see him do well,' sentiment, hence the cheering when he scored. It's not like Colts fans were hoping Manning would 'work out' with the Broncos. That's pretty much a given. And yes, a NBA regular season game between a contender and a lottery team and a NFL regular season game between two division leaders, one of them an undefeated squad.

            Also let's face it, basketball tends to be a sport where you have a lot of fans of individual players even if you like another team, moreso than football. There probably were a lot of casual fans in the stands, who may or may not be emotionally invested Pacer fans. People have been Colts fans for years and years, many people have only started rooting for the Pacers again in the last 1, 2 years.

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            • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
              And you were up at 5am for work too I suppose?

              I just love when people stand on their soapboxes and think just because they don't have a problem with something, other people shouldn't either, like all our lives are the same cookie cutter.
              Fans who bag on people for leaving early just need to get over it. They do not walk in those peoples shoes so they have no clue why they are leaving. Some can be leaving to beat traffic, some could have promised their kid they would home at a certain time, or have a really long drive ahead of them. It typically is just a big pissing contest about who is being a better fan. The same junk happens over on the Colts forum.

              You paid for those tickets and if you want to leave a few minutes early because we have the game in hand then more power to you. It does not make you any less of a fan.

              The game itself was just a nice way to start the season. Definitely need less of the turnovers, but overall it was a good start.

              Seeing Lance play has me really excited to see what level he can get to this season.

              Scola hitting jumpers was refreshing to see after having to watch brick after brick from Hansbrough.

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              • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                Originally posted by crunk-juice View Post
                says the murderous meth cook
                Tread lightly.

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                • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                  Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                  first game of the year, we will be fine. Everyone is still getting used to being back on the floor.
                  I am assuming, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming you are referring to the turnovers I mentioned.... ehh, it's really got nothing to do with this being the first game of the year, not like I don't know it's the first game of the year ya know... actually it's a troublesome trend that is continuing from all of last season. Turn the ball over 20 times against the Magic and you still win by 10, do the same against the Heat and you get smoked.

                  Don't want to appear down on anything though, it was a great opening night for the Pacers and this is definitely the best team we've had since '04 IMHO.

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                  • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                    Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                    But booing E'Twaun pissed me right the **** off. That's classless. Screw the kid that made the NBA and is actually from Indiana because he went to a school you don't like, right?
                    If it makes you feel better, I booed them both equally (actually, I think Victor got it worse).
                    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                    • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                      Originally posted by imawhat View Post
                      After Vogel said Lance would not play PG this offseason, Lance ran PG in the 4th and CJ played off the ball, probably for this reason. I love the Lance/Scola combo. Sometimes instinctive players match well with intelligent players, and that's the case here.

                      That is an excellent point.

                      To make a larger point might it be that Lance has improved enough that we want him on the court with the starters and the bench players. I think he is good in either situation, although probably more important with the bench players. But with the starters he adds a spark that they sometimes need. And with the bench he provides playmaking.

                      To me I was extrmely impressed with Lance's improvement from last year. I expect PG to be better, but Lance looked really good to me
                      Last edited by Unclebuck; 10-30-2013, 02:05 PM.

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                      • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                        One thing that bothered me about the turnovers, is Roy blocking a shot, saving it from going out of bounds, and then just tossing the ball back into the court of play. Someone has got to get in his ear to either let it go out of bounds and reset your defense, or if you're going to save it, launch the ball to the other end of the floor allowing the defense to reset. Throwing it back into the court of play, when you're out of position along with everyone else, is really really compounding the "turnover" into an almost fast break like situation.
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                          I get a little bummed in the heat of the moment when fans are loudly cheering for the opposition, but ultimately it makes sense. For them, this isn't 1 out of 41 games. It's 1 out of 1 or 2 games depending on the team, so it's a special occasion for them to come cheer on their boy (be it an Indiana kid, some other college darling, or an NBA superstar). Makes sense that they would be especially passionate at the game because it's not very often for them.

                          I may not appreciate it, but I understand it. So long as they're not rude or hostile to other fans, I'm fine with them.

                          I just accept that this market isn't saturated with thousands of ravenous and very loud home fans that come every night. Though at least we're blessed to have two fan sections that are like that, which is great. But for me, who is clearly one of the team's biggest fans, it's just not my personality to be up and yelling all the time. I'll do it if something excites me enough, but I'm hardly rowdy, either.

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                          • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                            To me I was extrmely impressed with Lance's improvement from last year. I expect PG to be better, but Lance looked really good to me
                            Considering how much he improved going into last year, that's almost scary.
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                            • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                              Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                              I didn't really care about the Oladipo cheering. Obviously they would at his first check in, nothing wrong with that at all. I was surprised how audible the cheer was for his first basket, but meh, first NBA points, I get it. I'll probably do the same if/when Hummel scores whenever Minnesota comes to town.

                              But booing E'Twaun pissed me right the **** off. That's classless. Screw the kid that made the NBA and is actually from Indiana because he went to a school you don't like, right?
                              Yeah the booing of Moore had no base to me. I cheered a bit for both when they came in, but nothing the rest of the night.

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                              • Re: Pacers/Magic Postgame Thread 10/29/13

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                Tread lightly.
                                kay




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