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  • #46
    Re: Best food in BLF

    Originally posted by BillS View Post
    But, yeah, the prices are getting a little out of hand. The only thing that keeps me from really ranting about it are the prices at Lucas Oil.
    Haven't we had our share of disagreements on whether or not prices have anything to do with why some people weren't attending games?
    Last edited by Since86; 11-01-2013, 10:30 AM.
    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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    • #47
      Re: Best food in BLF

      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
      Haven't we had our share of disagreements on whether or not prices have anything to do with why some people weren't attending games?
      Prices have gone up since then. You can also still find pretty cheap stuff if you're only there for one game, but cheap stuff game after game (especially when you're trying to eat right) isn't going to work.
      BillS

      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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      • #48
        Re: Best food in BLF

        How much have they went up since the 2011-2012 season? I'm still paying $7.50 for a beer, and I would think beer prices would go up with the rest of them. I haven't checked out any food prices yet, but last season the chicken fingers basket was the same price as the year before.

        I was just kind of surprised to see you say something about food prices, when I got pushback, not only from you but a lot of people, when I cited outrageous pricing. It really puts a bad taste in people's mouths, because they know how much it costs outside of BLF and increasing it just because you can, isn't a way to create happy customers.
        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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        • #49
          Re: Best food in BLF

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          How much have they went up since the 2011-2012 season? I'm still paying $7.50 for a beer, and I would think beer prices would go up with the rest of them. I haven't checked out any food prices yet, but last season the chicken fingers basket was the same price as the year before.

          I was just kind of surprised to see you say something about food prices, when I got pushback, not only from you but a lot of people, when I cited outrageous pricing. It really puts a bad taste in people's mouths, because they know how much it costs outside of BLF and increasing it just because you can, isn't a way to create happy customers.
          This is the first year I've gotten a little ticked off. Probably because I buy the premium beer, which is over $9 now, and because I buy the "healthier" food choices. More expensive than just a dog and a Bud or Diet Pepsi.

          Either way, my argument really has never been that food is cheap, just that there are cheaper options available AND that a family coming to a single game can plan ahead and choose to eat somewhere before arriving (or do the Family Night which includes a dog and a soft drink). Our discussions have been about people not going to *any* games because of the concessions, which I still think is a bit of a cop-out. Especially when Lucas Oil prices almost make the Fieldhouse look like the Wendy's Value Menu and yet they sell out. If people really are only coming to Pacer games for the "cheap" food yet going to Colts games for a different reason while putting up with the expensive food, the problem is not the concession prices.

          My grump here is more of a "first world problem" kind of thing - for a single game the prices don't kill me, but for 41 games plus preseason plus playoffs and rushing to get to the game so I don't quite have the option of eating somewhere else and doing it multiple games in the same week ... needs some serious planning or $$ to get through.
          BillS

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          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          • #50
            Re: Best food in BLF

            It might be a cop-out, but it was true then and it's still true. People look for reasons not to go spend their money on things, and when you charge them their first born for a bag of popcorn, people resist it. I haven't been to the movies for years, and their pricing structure is the #1 reason for it.

            I cannot count the number of times I've heard people directly mention pricing for why they don't go to games. Whether it's a cop out, or not, they don't go so in the end result is the exact same.


            Oh well, we've beat this horse enough.
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            • #51
              Re: Best food in BLF

              The Colts can get away with high prices because they are the Colts. Their tickets have been in high demand for a decade, and people are willing to pay high concession prices because of the "big event" status that comes with a Colts game. Since there are only 8 home games a season, many people only go to one a year and therefore justify spending a high amount at the game since it is sort of a "once a year" thing. Plus all of the Colts games are played on Sundays when people are off work (unless its a Monday night obviously, which is actually in more demand because of the big event status that comes with MNF).

              OTOH, the Pacers charging such high concession prices over the years is just bad business when you've been as desperate for attendance as the Pacers have in recent years. There are 41 Pacer games, most of which are on weeknights. Only a select few of them have "big event" status. Thus, charging such outlandishly high concession prices is just not smart business when you're begging people to come to games. It's probably not as big of a deal now that the team has turned the corner, but it was a dumb move for all of the dark years in which no one was coming.

              Look, I understand charging a lot for beer. If you had $3 beer, then people would be getting absolutely tanked, and you don't want a bunch of drunks in the stands who then get into their cars after the game. But the food prices are just a ripoff.

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              • #52
                Re: Best food in BLF

                Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                It's probably not as big of a deal now that the team has turned the corner, but it was a dumb move for all of the dark years in which no one was coming.
                Oddly, I think you made my point with this (and Since86 also has a point when he says "people look for reasons not to go spend their money on things" (emphasis mine).

                My point being that concessions are a reason not to go when there is no compelling reason to go. However, we also see that when they offer a deal that takes away some of those reasons (family nights), it doesn't somehow turn into a sellout. Therefore, the compelling reason (no matter what people *say* is the reason) is not the concessions - there just isn't something that draws them to the games so that concessions don't matter. The thing to fix is what actually matters, but unless people come out and say "I just don't like the NBA" or "I just don't care about the games I can get to and can't get tickets for the games I care about" then there's no real fix to be had.

                As I recall, at least one of the back-and-forths between Since86 and me was started when an article reported some guy as saying he couldn't take his family of 4 to a game because it would cost him $400. Never minding family night (which would be $160 for tickets plus food for the kids) and really added up parking (call it $10 average), tickets ($200 for $50 seats, not the best but definitely not the worst), gas (call it half a tank at $35, which is a heck of a range even in an SUV), it left the claim that you would have to spend $155 on concessions. That's something like 120 wings, or 60 wings and 15 soft drinks, or 18 Hardees Thickburgers (with fries and soda). To claim that not going to the game was due to the cost being that high was unrealistic. I suspect it was REALLY that:

                * Cheap seats aren't in the lower 2 levels
                * Traffic is a pain
                * The kids wouldn't be interested unless (insert national star here) is playing
                * The team wasn't winning
                * etc

                Note that, considering to take a family of 4 to a Colts game is close to $400 just for the tickets, and that many of the above issues are the same, why would they choose to spend MORE money to do that? The fix to the problem comes in finding that answer, not in just lowering concession prices. If every child under 12 got a free dog and soda for every game, I would suspect there would still have been a reason not to go - but it would approach being more honest for most people.

                THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD EVEN THE $140 FOR FAMILY NIGHT. We aren't talking about everyone here. We're only talking about the ones for whom spending that money on entertainment is an option.
                BillS

                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                • #53
                  Re: Best food in BLF

                  Agree concession $ doesn't/shouldn't impact decision to attend a game.

                  Does BLF get a cut of concession profits? Would assume so. Is BLF still operated at a loss to the city? That might be a reason for high prices if so -- trying to make up the deficit on the margins as much as they can. Just a stab in the dark though.

                  I still think concession pricing is a dumb reason not to attend. Growing up, we would always just grab something in the Circle Center food court before, or something like Spaghetti Factory after (or in the last few years, Kilroy's!) Unless it's a significant time crunch, it seems like a more enjoyable experience to do it this way anyway. You're not eating in the space of an airplane seat, trying to figure out where to put your soda and pretzel and cheese and whatever else. You have time to talk about the game and other stuff, not rushed, etc. My thought was always if I'm committing the effort to go downtown for a game, I might as well enjoy the being downtown part of it.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Best food in BLF

                    I think paying a couple hundred thousand dollars for a car is stupid, but people do it.
                    I think paying a couple hundred for a meal is stupid, but people do it.

                    Whether we think it's dumb, a cop-out, or whatever is 100% moot because our feelings have absolutely zero impact on other people's feelings.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Best food in BLF

                      Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                      I think paying a couple hundred thousand dollars for a car is stupid, but people do it.
                      I think paying a couple hundred for a meal is stupid, but people do it.

                      Whether we think it's dumb, a cop-out, or whatever is 100% moot because our feelings have absolutely zero impact on other people's feelings.
                      Certainly, I understand what you are saying. But we aren't talking about the people who refuse to pay for concessions at both BLF or LOS. We're talking about the people who would pay at LOS and complain that the (lower) prices at BLF are too high. Clearly, then, the cost of concessions is not the primary reason they don't go. There is some other reason they don't go and the cost of concessions is something easy to say. Just like when the excuse was "ticket prices are too high" - the REAL answer is that "ticket prices are too high for the seat I want to have", which sounds the same but has an entirely different solution (in the first case, lower prices somewhere in the arena. In the second case, find out what it is that makes a seat "want to have" and increase the value of the cheaper seats - say, by putting an ultra high-definition center court scoreboard.)

                      A tighter example would be to take that guy saying concessions are too expensive. Do you still get him by making kid food cheaper? I would say no, since those people aren't jumping all over themselves to get what is basically a kids' meal for free on Family Night. I would bet, though with no way to prove it, that the kids' food prices would be acceptable if certain adult food prices came down, particularly those of the liquid variety. If mama could get cheap wine, betcha they'd be there.

                      That's why I pursue the argument so much. A fairly pat answer like "the concessions cost too much" - while objectively true compared to food outside the arena - can't be the be-all and end-all reason because a valid counterexample exists for the Colts, who sell out in spite of crazy expensive food. To come up with a solution, you have to find the real answer, not just the one that rolls off the tongue the easiest. In all reality, the answer might be "I don't like basketball as much as football", which is a hard answer to hear but a much better point of attack than an answer like "the concessions are too expensive" which even if fixed would just lead to the next reason on the list.
                      BillS

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                      • #56
                        Re: Best food in BLF

                        It's a losing game to try and compare the NBA to the NFL, for a number of reasons. The Colts have to turn potential ticket buyers away, while the Pacers have been in the position of begging. When you're on top, and people are fighting to get in the door, you can charge what you'd like. When you're place is empty, and you have to try and convince people to come, you can't. It's simple supply vs demand economics.

                        It would be like your local band trying to charge people $100 tickets, just because they saw how much Kenny Chesney charged for his tickets.
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                        • #57
                          Re: Best food in BLF

                          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                          It's a losing game to try and compare the NBA to the NFL, for a number of reasons. The Colts have to turn potential ticket buyers away, while the Pacers have been in the position of begging. When you're on top, and people are fighting to get in the door, you can charge what you'd like. When you're place is empty, and you have to try and convince people to come, you can't. It's simple supply vs demand economics.

                          It would be like your local band trying to charge people $100 tickets, just because they saw how much Kenny Chesney charged for his tickets.
                          So here's the question. In the JOB years, if concessions were free, would the Pacers have sold out? During the brawl aftermath years, would free concessions have caused parents to bring their kids to see the team? Why don't Lucas Oil Family Nights sell out (I believe there is no overall limitation on Family Night tickets, and if there is I've never seen any kind of announcement that the Family Night tickets are sold out)?

                          I'm not saying that cost of concessions might not be a factor for someone on the fence about going. I'm saying that it is A factor, not THE factor for attendance. Saying "We don't go to the games because the concessions cost too much" isn't really what they mean. What they mean is "We don't go to games because there's no compelling reason to do so, and concessions cost to much for us to just show up."

                          The problem with your comparison is it is much more like the Pacers trying to charge the same for nosebleed tickets that the Knicks or Lakers charge - in other words, overvaluing the PRODUCT itself. You're saying that everything about the product is sellable and the only thing keeping people away is the cost of an option. When trying to increase sales, making the option more desirable is much less efficient than making the product more desirable - and having a really cool option very seldom sells a product someone doesn't want.

                          All that said, and going b ack to the original point that took us back down the rabbit hole, I think the concession prices - particularly for repeat attendees like package holders - are too high. That doesn't mean I'd stop going - I'd just stop eating there.
                          BillS

                          A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                          Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                          • #58
                            Re: Best food in BLF

                            I don't think concession prices are the reason people don't go, I think it's a combination between both quality of product and pricing. When your product is good, over pricing is tolerable. When you're product is bad, overpricing isn't tolerable. I do however think that when you're quality of product is bad, lowering your prices will help get people in the door. Of course it won't fill the place, but it doesn't automatically alienate potential consumers.
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                            • #59
                              Re: Best food in BLF

                              I think when I was at the Colts/Seahawks game a Coke (w/collectible cup) was I think $5, and the personal pizza I had was 8. I had two Cokes and that pizza. Spent under $20 for myself. I find that reasonable.

                              IU Athletics has really good pricing on their concessions. $4.50 for a Coke in a collectible cup, $3 for a box of popcorn and $6 for a Papa John's personal pizza.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Best food in BLF

                                Concession prices are not a large factor in whether I go to an event or not. However, they are a HUGE factor on whether I purchase concessions at the event, and can affect my overall perception of my enjoyment, therefore influencing if I attend another event at that venue.

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