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    Great article. Already feels like we're getting better coverage, and she doesn't really even know the players yet.

    http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...other-tidbits/

    “This is the last year of my deal. When you say ‘face of the franchise,’ Paul got the contract but I think we’ve got three faces, honestly. Roy, Paul and David – mainly Roy and Paul are really the faces,” Granger said. “Our team’s not built like we’ve got a superstar who’s going to score 25 points per game. That’s not going to be our team ever. Not with the talent that we have.”

    “We’re five to seven strong, pass to the man for the open shot, play out of post,” Granger described. “Paul’s probably the most talented and will be here the longest … so yeah, from that aspect but as far the (other) aspect, multiple guys can take ownership of this team.”

    When asked directly why he left himself out, Granger answered: ”We older. I’m 30. (David’s) 33, ya know what I’m saying?”

    Granger explained more: “I’ve been it for a long time but I’m older now. I’m in the last year of my deal. We don’t know what’s going to happen next year so we’re going to go forth this year.”
    Partially, I think she gets good access because she asks good questions.

    Granger, Sr. also mulled the question “when was Danny not ever The Man?”

    “From Bradley, to New Mexico, to professional, he’s always been The Man. I can’t remember the time he wasn’t.”

    So, how does he think the change would impact his son?

    “This is what Danny wants right now. Danny wants a championship. For me to sit here and say that it probably won’t affect him that he’s not The Man, that probably won’t be the truth,” Granger, Sr. said. “But I do know this, he’s intelligent enough to understand the process.”

    “He saw it with Jermaine (O’Neal). Jermaine was The Man and he fell off. He understands the process of what’s happening with the professional game.”
    The whole article is worth reading. Check it out.
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    Here is the blog that follows the article with more info


    http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/2013/10/27/why-danny-granger-rented-his-mansion-to-paul-george-and-other-tidbits/


    Why Danny Granger rented his mansion to Paul George and other tidbits

    In today’s story about Danny Granger, the idea was to show where he is at mentally now as he recovers from a left-knee injury and returns to a team that has changed so much while he was away. Of course, not everything could make it into the final draft so this blog will be a bit like the “director’s cut” and share some more quotes and insights that will hopefully shed more light on Granger.

    The relationship between Granger and George

    First, let’s reference the two men in the above picture. Paul and Danny. From all accounts, everyone interviewed for this story expressed that there still is a “Paul and Danny.” Two guys who remain friends in spite of the younger one’s ascension.

    Some folks who read the story came away with that Granger believes he’s the savior to this team. That couldn’t be further from the truth. When talking about the face of the franchise, Granger never mentioned his own name. Instead, Granger referenced the young core.

    “This is the last year of my deal. When you say ‘face of the franchise,’ Paul got the contract but I think we’ve got three faces, honestly. Roy, Paul and David – mainly Roy and Paul are really the faces,” Granger said. “Our team’s not built like we’ve got a superstar who’s going to score 25 points per game. That’s not going to be our team ever. Not with the talent that we have.”

    “We’re five to seven strong, pass to the man for the open shot, play out of post,” Granger described. “Paul’s probably the most talented and will be here the longest … so yeah, from that aspect but as far the (other) aspect, multiple guys can take ownership of this team.”
    When asked directly why he left himself out, Granger answered: ”We older. I’m 30. (David’s) 33, ya know what I’m saying?”

    Granger explained more: “I’ve been it for a long time but I’m older now. I’m in the last year of my deal. We don’t know what’s going to happen next year so we’re going to go forth this year.”

    As far as their relationship, Granger and George remain tight. So much so that while Granger remained in Indianapolis over this past summer to rehab his knee, he and his wife took on a tenant for their Los Angeles home - Paul George.

    George called it summer “at the Grangers,” and crashed at the mansion while he was working out in L.A.

    “Since literally he met Paul, he’s been like a little brother to Danny,” wife Dionna Granger said.


    Taking a step back

    Danny Granger, Sr. also addressed the Paul and Danny dynamic while being interviewed for this story. Senior is as interesting as they come. When he’s not in Indianapolis, he’s easy to spot – he’ll be the 6-foot-4 guy in an oversized Harley Davidson leather jacket, motoring his Screamin’ Eagle around the canyons in Southern California. Granger, Sr. loves slow R&B jams for his ringtones but he’s still rugged enough to have allegedly fought off a kidnapping attempt in Turkey while in the country with his son who was playing with Team USA.

    Most of all, Granger, Sr. is a straight shooter and expressed his perspective about his son and the rising star.

    “I think that controversy between can PG and Danny get along is really blown out of proportion big time,” Granger, Sr. said. “Danny has accomplished a lot of stuff in his career but he’s at the point now where he wants to play with good players. He wants to play with guys where he doesn’t have to carry the whole load. That could be part of the reason why he’s hurt now because he had to go out there and play 30, 35, 40 minutes a night, shoot every time.”

    “The fact that PG stepped up is great. That’s great for Danny.”

    Granger, Sr. also mulled the question “when was Danny not ever The Man?

    “From Bradley, to New Mexico, to professional, he’s always been The Man. I can’t remember the time he wasn’t.”

    So, how does he think the change would impact his son?

    “This is what Danny wants right now. Danny wants a championship. For me to sit here and say that it probably won’t affect him that he’s not The Man, that probably won’t be the truth,” Granger, Sr. said. “But I do know this, he’s intelligent enough to understand the process.”

    “He saw it with Jermaine (O’Neal). Jermaine was The Man and he fell off. He understands the process of what’s happening with the professional game.”
    Granger, Sr. also shared his beliefs on his son’s future role with the team.

    “The way them boys played last year, if we get Danny at 80 percent and he’s coming off that bench – no big deal, he could come off the bench, that’s fine. Come off the bench and contribute and do what I know what he could do and what they did last year, we got us a championship,” Senior said. “He understands what the situation is but he told me the other night, I’m not finished (at this point, Granger, Sr. broke out into one of his big smiles) He said, ‘I promise you, Daddy! I’m not finished.’ So he’s ready to play some ball. And he’s going to do whatever he needs to do to help his team win. Danny has it in his head right now that we could win a championship this year.”


    The team waits but sees encouraging signs

    Last year, while they were both effectively out of the game, Larry Bird said that he did not have much contact with Granger. He visited one practice and attended one game – by his count – but Bird said he watched every game and took down notes for the possibility of his return to the organization. Of course, Bird is now back as president of basketball of operations. He’s built a steady roster with free-agent signings, but he continues to wait on the biggest addition… one Danny Granger. Even so, Bird understands the need for patience.

    “The only thing I told Danny is… if you get back to playing the way we know you’re capable of playing, I think the starting spot’s open there,” Bird said. “That takes nothing away from Lance (Stephenson) because I think Lance is a starter in this league and last year he proved it that he can handle the position. The one good thing for our team is we can always put Paul George at three or two. But obviously we have to see how Danny comes back.”

    “Again, they were planning one day on and one day off. He’s been very cautious to see how his knee would react. It’s been a slow process and plus he’s been out a year. I sat out a year, I know how tough it is to come back after being out. My situation, I was healed up and I could get in top shape coming in so it was a lot easier situation for me whereas Danny, he’s been in training camp in and out and it’s been tough for him to get into a rhythm. As I say that, we were expecting that he would have some setbacks, not necessarily with his knee but other things happened because he hasn’t really played at the speed that these guys play at and it happened. It’s a minor setback and we’ll just go from here and see how he plays and how he gets back in and hopefully he can stay pretty healthy. It’s up to coach to see who he wants to play.”

    Bird recalled a practice just over a month ago when he noticed that Granger took an encouraging step forward in the process. While observing practices, Bird does not count the shots Granger makes. Rather, he fixates on Granger’s activity.

    “He looks better, especially the more he’s out there. He continues to look better and better. Now, he might hit his shots every day but I worry about how he moves,” Bird said. “That’s all I watch. I don’t care about the shots. I care about how he defends, and how he’s moving his feet and if he has confidence in jumping and running like he had before. It’s a slow process.”
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    Here is Kravitz latest on the pacers.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/2013...IndyStar.com|p

    Bob Kravitz: Only two questions matter with the Indiana Pacers

    This was going to be a Five Questions About The Pacers column, but upon further review and deliberation, there are really only two that matter with the season on the doorstep:

    1) What’s the deal going to be with Danny Granger: healthy or unhealthy, starter or reserve, trade bait or not?


    2) Is this bench, which looks better on paper but has been in and out in the preseason, going to be the vast improvement we all expect over last year’s unholy mess?

    First, Granger.

    Coach Frank Vogel said Thursday that Granger is unlikely to play in Tuesday’s season opener at home against the Orlando Magic, and after that, he’s day to day with a calf strain that’s worse than anybody expected.

    But then Vogel said something really interesting, and telling.

    “It’s a work in progress,” he said. “But, look, if Danny was healthy and playing great and Lance (Stephenson) was healthy and playing great, I’d probably see stretches throughout the season where Lance was starting and I’d probably see stretches throughout the season where Danny was starting, just to see how the different combinations throughout the game pair up.”

    Hmmm.

    My feeling is this team will be at its very best with Granger starting and Stephenson leading the offense off the bench, and a pre-season conversation with Larry Bird suggested the team president viewed it exactly the same way.

    But Vogel, who wants to be able to count on Granger’s health and who doesn’t?), isn’t ready to make any grand proclamations.

    Granger said Thursday his calf strain is not related to the knee problems that forced him to miss all but five games last year, and feels extraordinarily healthy after pushing himself through training camp.

    “I’m doing really well,’’ Granger said. “It was to the point where I was telling (trainers) to let me do more. We were doing three days on, one day off, but I could have done more.
    They were holding me back and sticking with the plan, but not because I wanted to.’’

    The question still remains: Can they count upon him to be in the lineup night after night? Vogel wants answers, and he hasn’t come up with any just yet.

    All of this has important, long-term implications.

    Granger is in the final year of his contract, so Bird will have to make a huge decision as the trade deadline approaches:

    Does he trade Granger, knowing he’s not likely to be able to re-sign him after giving big bucks to so many others on the team, or does he ride it out and lose him for no compensation?

    Bird was pretty forthright, as he always is, when asked the question a couple of weeks ago. If Granger can’t stay healthy, or if he isn’t producing the way the Pacers hope, he’ll likely get dealt and the Pacers will get what they can for the former All-Star. If Granger is playing well, and the Pacers look like a team that has a chance to reach the NBA Finals, Bird will roll the dice, keep Granger in Indianapolis and worry about free agency later.
    Which makes perfect sense.

    Second, the bench.

    On paper, the additions of C.J. Watson, Chris Copeland and Luis Scola look like a major upgrade on the group that was close to the bottom in every conceivable production category last season.

    Of course, we looked at last year’s bench on paper and thought, “D.J. Augustin, Gerald Green, Ian Mahinmi … this is going to be a much improved bench.’’

    And they were an abject bust.

    “Honestly, your bench is what really makes or breaks a team,’’ Granger said. “You could have a great starting group, you can have one or two guys that are great, but it depends on what happens when those guys go off the court. A lot of teams that have been successful over the past few years have had a really strong bench.”

    It’s a little difficult to read much from preseason; Vogel, who is blessed with more talent than he’s ever had, has mixed and matched players, looking for combinations that work. Truth is, he’s used combinations he’ll likely never use during the regular season. Once the real games start, he’ll be much more consistent about his rotations and players will be more comfortable regarding their minutes and their teammates on the floor.

    The early returns are mixed.

    Scola has been terrific the past two, three games.

    Watson has been consistent.

    Copeland hasn’t found his shooting stroke, especially from behind the 3-point arc.
    Solomon Hill has shown promise but remains a rookie in a men’s league.

    Mahinmi has been up and down.

    A healthy Granger and an improved bench could be enough to finally knock off Miami and, yes, Chicago, too. If these questions linger, though, if Granger can’t get right and the bench struggles, this will be a disappointing season.

    The answers start coming Tuesday.
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    but he’s still rugged enough to have allegedly fought off a kidnapping attempt in Turkey while in the country with his son who was playing with Team USA.
    I want to know more about this. Anyone got any more inside knowledge of what happened? Don't mess with Danny Granger Sr.

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    I want to know more about this. Anyone got any more inside knowledge of what happened? Don't mess with Danny Granger Sr.
    Its a little known that fact that Liam Neesons' character in the movie "Taken" was VERY loosely based on Danny Sr.
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    I want to comment about this one section of Kravitz column
    On paper, the additions of C.J. Watson, Chris Copeland and Luis Scola look like a major upgrade on the group that was close to the bottom in every conceivable production category last season.

    Of course, we looked at last year’s bench on paper and thought, “D.J. Augustin, Gerald Green, Ian Mahinmi … this is going to be a much improved bench.’’

    And they were an abject bust.

    I beleive if someone had asked me last year at this time if I would rather have C.J. or D.J.? I would have said C.J.

    Green or Copeland? this one is tough, because last year I had never heard of Cope. So I probably would have taken Green.

    Scola or Tyler? Scola.

    And Ian is here again, so no choice there.
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    I enjoy Danny Sr. He has always looked to me to be a friendly guy who is open to chatting with just about anyone at the games, and once I was fortunate enough to be one of them when he stopped to talk with a handful of PD people to talk about Danny at the end of his all-star season.

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    I beleive if someone had asked me last year at this time if I would rather have C.J. or D.J.? I would have said C.J.

    Green or Copeland? this one is tough, because last year I had never heard of Cope. So I probably would have taken Green.

    Scola or Tyler? Scola.

    And Ian is here again, so no choice there.
    Let's see, last year we went from Collison, Barbosa, Jones, Tyler, and Lou to Augustine, Green, Young, Tyler, and Ian. At the time, I think I was expecting DJ to be as good if not better than DC, I had no idea what to expect from Green, and I probably would have considered Jones/Young a wash, with perhaps a slight nod to Jones though that's probably my 2013 mind speaking not my 2012 mind. I thought Ian would be better than Lou.

    Now, I'd rather have DC than DJ, if Barbosa can still play like he did in '12 I'd still prefer him to Green, I think Jones might be a tad better than Young, and I still think Ian is better tran Lou.

    Time will tell for sure, but I feel very optimistic about Scola being better than Tyler. Less sure about CJ Watson because we've been burned by incoming point guards so many times, but at least we know he has proven himself as a good backup on a contender (Chicago) before, so he probably will be better (hell, with how bad DJ was, it wouldn't take much).

    I think we'll be better even without Granger mainly for these reasons: Watson, Scola, and a better Paul George. It may not translate, but if it does, what I've seen flashes of from Paul in preseason is very encouraging; I've never seen him drive or finish the way I saw him do multiple times against Chicago, CLE, and @DAL. And he seems as confident as ever at knocking down mid range jumpers off the dribble, and his 3 ball. Maybe it's not going to show up when the games count, but considering he's already proven himself capable of ECF-level clutch behavior... I have to assume it probably will. If so... look out.

    Danny being healthy is just even better.

    I feel like I should also say that assuming Orlando will play more this year than last year (whenever Danny can't go) and is basically taking over Green or Young's role in the rotation, I do also like him better than those two guys, so that's another improvement.

    This team still has its fair share of flaws, but I do believe that even if Danny disappeared in a UFO never to be seen again tonight, we're still a better team than last year. The only way that's not true, IMO, aside from of course bad luck with injuries, is if we can't maintain our place as a top rebounding team. I'd like to think our problems there in preseason were more to do with dead legs, low interest, and things needing to be correcting as far as schemes/assignment go, but maybe not. If I'm right, then I think it will look close to as good as it did last year. I mean our five best players are still here playing the most minutes; it can't be THAT much worse, right? Unless we're assuming Watson, Jones, and Scola collectively are just terribly worse at rebounding than DJ, Green/Young, and Tyler were. I'm not sure about that.

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