Nuntius was right. I was wrong. Frank Vogel has retained his job.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."
If it's the the former, I definitely agree with you.
If it's the latter, I don't think it was the case yesterday. The pass/run analogy was 40/14. Even when we were back at 7-0 and 14-0 we had more passing plays than rushing ones. It's not like we fell way behind the score and then started throwing the ball out of necessity.
Now we weren't successful for few reasons that have been mentioned ( shambolic play by OL, players not getting open, Luck having few bad throws).
Last edited by Johanvil; 11-04-2013 at 08:14 PM.
I'm planning to re-watch game, I was following in the moment but a bit distracted by a sick child. I've seen some suggesting in the second half one part of the change in offensive approach was a lot of no-huddle shotgun. That plays into the aggressiveness and opening up of the offense, too, if those observations are accurate.
I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
If turner beats out hill and mahinmi in camp then fine, but odds of that happening are slim.
this was oddly satisfying to read. Oh the stupidity...
Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.
"Luck was behind the 8ball the whole game. He's on the road, w/o his #1 receiver, w/o a productive running game, behind a bad pass protection, playing in a bad system. If Luck had better stats than Keenum had, Luck should be in the hall of fame right now. But all he did was throw 3 tds, 0 int, 271 yds and another 4th comeback win. Yeah, Keenum is the unanimous baller."
Last edited by Hoop; 11-04-2013 at 10:09 PM.
"Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"
Shouldn't go unnoticed how excellent was that throw from Luck to Fleener for the 2point conversion and what an excellent catch by Coby. It was thrown into double coverage near the sideline yet it was the perfect spot not to be intercepted. I think Collinsworth said "Oh my Gosh" or something.
Hilton obviously did what we needed him to do. He must play like a reliable #1 receiver for the rest of the season, and he certainly got off to a great start. His speed is just unbelievable. The long touchdown reminded me of that play against Denver that was inches away from being a TD after it was deflected. This guy is going to make a big name for himself down the stretch this season.
Outside of Hilton, I think that Fleener is going to be our most important receiving threat, not DHB. He had a few big catches and also had the crucial two point conversion. On the missed two point conversion, he was actually wide open, but Luck just didn't look his way. I think that this guy is going to be huge for us down the stretch. I look forward to next year when Allen is healthy and we can run some nice two TE sets. It's a shame that guy got hurt.
Whalen was bad for most of the game, but that crucial fourth quarter catch was HUGE.
The defense obviously gave up a few inexcusable big plays and Vontae was bad, but they did come up with some big stops at crucial times. They held them to 3 points in the second half. Obviously the awful FG kicker helped, but we kept them out of the end zone. In a hostile environment, we allowed 24 points against an opponent that treats games against us like it's the Super Bowl. I'll take it.
Luck is just ridiculous. As TraderJoe said, I can't think of another athlete who has lived up to the hype like this. No matter how awful he looked in the first half, and he indeed looked awful, you always knew that we'd have a chance in the second half with him. The best thing about Luck is that like Manning, he seems to have a short memory. If he makes a mistake, then he forgets about it and goes back out there in the next series to do his thing. The long ball to TY was just beautifully thrown. I thought some said that Luck didn't have a deep ball? This guy really is going to be an NFL legend and it's just hilarious how absurdly lucky we are to go from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. Long suffering franchises around the NFL have to absolutely despise our good fortune. If Peyton wasn't having such a historically great season, then Luck would definitely be in the MVP talks. I still think he should be. The Colts have lost their HOF WR, two very good running backs, a very solid young TE, and their LG.....and yet all they do is keep winning. The quarterback is reason numero uno.
I disagree with some of Pagano's in game decisions and feel that he's too conservative at times, but I'm a huge fan of the guy from an overall philosophy standpoint. There's no doubt that the players are all in on what he is doing and have completely bought into the system. Arians was a great head coach for us last year, but there's no doubt that the foundation Pagano laid was a huge factor.
Going 3-1 in this SEA-SD-DEN-HOU stretch is just phenomenal. I would have been thrilled with 2-2 and was prepared for 1-3. Guess I should know better given who our quarterback is. If I could have picked any of them to lose, it would have been SD. I wanted Luck to get the win at home against Wilson, I obviously wanted the Denver win more than anything, and we really needed the Houston game for divisional purposes. What an incredible stretch of football. Losing is never good, but I do think that the SD game woke us up a bit.
Also, poor Texans. We just continue to torment that franchise. Two years ago they were thinking that their time had finally arrived and that it would be their division to own for a while. But it turns out that they were just keeping the seat warm for us while we transitioned quarterbacks. We are about to go on a division tear like we did from 03-10 when Peyton was in his prime. We'll be automatic every year with Luck.
Last edited by Sollozzo; 11-05-2013 at 08:49 AM.
“Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.
What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?
Larry Bird: Yeah, patience.
Read more: http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/23...#ixzz2jnCMeBRGGary Kubiak cleared by doctors to leave hospital
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Posted: Nov 05, 2013 9:54 AM
Updated: Nov 05, 2013 11:42 AM
By Mark Berman, Sports Director - bio
Texans: Gary Kubiak is alert, coherent and in good spirits
HOUSTON (FOX 26) -
Houston Texans head coach Gary Kubiak has been cleared by doctors to leave the hospital today and return home.
Kubiak will probably not be available to coach the Texans when they play the Cardinals Sunday in Arizona.
He is expected to return to work next week.
Texans executive vice president and general manager Rick Smith announced on Monday Kubiak would be in the hospital for at least another 24 hours.
Kubiak was rushed to the hospital Sunday night after he collapsed at the end of the first half of the Texans 27-24 loss to the Indianapolis Colts at Reliant Stadium.
Sources confirmed for FOX 26 Sports that Kubiak suffered a transient ischemic attack or TIA.
In lay terms, a TIA is a change in a person's neurological status causing stroke-like symptoms that last less than 24 hours.
The Texans said Sunday night that Kubiak did not suffer a heart attack.
Defensive coordinator Wade Phillips ran the Texans in Kubiak's absence against the Colts and is expected to continue in that role on Sunday against Arizona.
that was one of the all-time great comebacks in indy colts history. i would never believed a victory was possible after the 1st half.
Yea, it was ugly in the first. I hadn't counted them out, though. I know this is a game of adjustments... and Pagano and his staff seem to be good at half-time adjustments. Also, Luck is amazing at adjustments. I think this is why Indy is so adept at 4th quarter comebacks. And we weren't really "down" by that much... 18 points. It's down, but we all know how fast things change.
Also, Houston didn't necessarily outplay us in the first half by as large a margin as it would seem.... they scored 21 points, but 14 of those were on ******** drives after terrible calls by the refs. The missed roughing the kicker call; shoulda been our ball with a 1st down and instead Houston bombs a long touchdown a few plays later. Score never should've happened. Then the overturned Colt recovery of the stripped ball --- again, they scored a few plays later. We're talking a whole different ballgame if those two plays aren't missed badly by the refs.
I look at stuff like that when considering the second half. Yea, we looked rusty... but two looong throws by a rookie QB after ******** turnovers.... can skew the actual nature of the game. I do this when watching most games... if you look at the fundamentals and the small stuff, it can paint a better picture of a long-term prognosis than the actual scoreboard. Like... if the Pacers are down 20 points in the first quarter. I'll look at it closely.... often times I'll see signs. We played good D... we won the rebound battle... we had decent ball movement.... we just missed a lot of bunny shots and shot 20% of the quarter. You know that percentage won't stay that low, and you can turn to your wife and say "I bet we catch 'em in the 4th" and act all smart and stuff when it actually happens.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 11-06-2013 at 02:24 PM.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.