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  • Re: Granger out for three weeks

    Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
    Solo is a late round rookie, and it's beyond rare for a late round rookie to start on one of the best teams in the NBA. Finally, we had a coach last year who gave our first round pick ZERO opportunity to prove anything. I'm not comparing Plumlee to Solo, but I think it's fair to say that our coach isn't going to let a rookie go out there and play unless they can play like a vet. Because of all of this, it's my prediction that we won't see much of Solo this year, and certainly won't see him anywhere near a starting role. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, and I will be glad to admit it because that would mean that the Pacers drafted a complete steal.
    Miles received ZERO opportunity for us because we had a complete big man rotation. Simply put, we didn't have any minutes available for him and that's why they didn't play.

    As far as rookies are concerned now. They can certainly play if there is a need for them. The Bulls needed Marquis Teague to play for them and he did. The Warriors needed Draymond Green and he played 79 games for them and even tried to take over a playoff game. The Mavs needed Jae Crowder and he was one of the positive surprises in an otherwise underwhelming season due to Dirk's injury. We need Orlando Johnson to produce and he did.

    There is not a rule anywhere that says that rookies cannot play. Sure, you can expect them to come in and be world beaters right off the gate but I believe that if the rookie is good enough then you could expect him to give you 5-10 MPG.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • Re: Granger out for three weeks

      Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
      So I guess you feel comfortable in predicting that Solo will play big minutes this season and be a serious threat to Lance's starting job?
      The number of people that are predicting that is exactly zero (0). No one in this forum is saying something like that.

      My suggestion states clearly that Solo/OJ would play 5 minutes at the start of each half in order to allow Lance to play more with the bench and have the ball in his hands. That's it. I'm not suggesting that Solo/OJ would play big minutes and threaten Lance's job.

      Seriously, I have stated the above a number of times and I'm still baffled that you keep getting it wrong.
      Last edited by Nuntius; 10-29-2013, 07:06 PM.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • Re: Granger out for three weeks

        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        The ultimate starting unit is with Danny. That is the best group of 5 we can get together.

        Continuity is another one of those nice buzz words that really isn't all that meaningful when you are talking about players who by then have played together for 3 seasons. If you are making these kind of decisions based on what may or may not be true next year you are not making the decision for the correct season. For all we know Lance won't be on this team next season.

        I know it can be hard to remember cause it has been so long, but we are a title contender. We are not rebuilding anymore, so stop thinking like a rebuilding team, and start thinking like a team that is competing for a championship. Teams that are contending for a championship aren't worried about doing things based on what may or may not happen next year, they are worried about doing what is best for this season. If this was a lottery team, I would understand, but we are not.
        Bball provided a pretty articulate post for all the reasons why Lance makes us better regardless of continuity. I like Granger. I want him back. But I think Lance makes us a better team. Everybody has an opinion.
        "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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        • Re: Granger out for three weeks

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          Lance has, and he was looking forward to coming off the bench and was disappointed when he found out he'd be a starter.

          This exercise is fun and all for those of us who have nothing better to do than jibber-jabber back and forth about our feelings, but the FO, the coaching staff, and Lance have all given their opinions and they all seem to agree Danny is best served as the 5th starter.
          I think I might have missed this somehow.

          Could you help me find where Lance has said he prefers coming off the bench?

          That'd be interesting to read about.

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          • Re: Granger out for three weeks

            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            I really miss the days where we could all just agree to disagree and move on. I've been around Pacers message boards since 1994 and I've seen the ups and I've seen the downs and in the end it all balances out. However I will freely admit that this particular down is just depressing.

            For a fan base that suffered together from brawls to character issues to Jim O'Brien to lack of talent and to rebuilding and to now being finally poised to take a leap forward it's sad to be this fractured at a time when we should all be coming together to rejoice. For the first time in I don't know how long I've stepped away from posting because frankly it's just to contentious.

            It's very sad to me to be honest with you because this really should be a time to rejoice.

            P.S. Also for the record this has nothing to do with one particular poster.
            Peck, people can disagree with each other without indicating a fracture within the fanbase. I have disagreed with a number of people in this forum but that doesn't mean that I think negatively about them. You can easily disagree with someone, discuss this issue and still see each other eye to eye. Disagreement doesn't equal hostility.
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • Re: Granger out for three weeks

              Originally posted by docpaul View Post
              I think I might have missed this somehow.

              Could you help me find where Lance has said he prefers coming off the bench?

              That'd be interesting to read about.
              http://blogs.pacers.com/2013/10/28/s...off-the-bench/
              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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              • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                Yep he had the "flu" and then he was out for the season.
                See, it's stuff like that. That's why people keep saying that you have an agenda and spread propaganda. This flu was proven by a fellow PD poster. Do you think that he was just trying to cover it up as well? Do you call him a liar?
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                  This is probably the best reason to start Granger when he comes back. At least give it a whirl.

                  It's exciting to see that Lance embraces this role. I agree, he could be dominant as a leader of the second team.

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                  • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    Bball provided a pretty articulate post for all the reasons why Lance makes us better regardless of continuity.
                    If he did it wasn't in the posts I responded to.

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                    • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                      The number of people that are predicting that is exactly zero (0). No one in this forum is saying something like that.

                      My suggestion states clearly that Solo/OJ would play [u]5 minutes[u] at the start of each half in order to allow Lance to play more with the bench and have the ball in his hands. That's it. I'm not suggesting that Solo/OJ would play big minutes and threaten Lance's job.

                      Seriously, I have stated the above a number of times and I'm still baffled that you keep getting it wrong.

                      If Solo is good enough to start those first five crucial minutes of the game, then he's good enough to play reasonably heavy minutes. There's no separating the two. Find me any elite team in the NBA who starts a guy for 5 minutes in each half and then doesn't play him in any of the next 19 minutes.

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                      • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                        Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                        Miles received ZERO opportunity for us because we had a complete big man rotation. Simply put, we didn't have any minutes available for him and that's why they didn't play.

                        As far as rookies are concerned now. They can certainly play if there is a need for them. The Bulls needed Marquis Teague to play for them and he did. The Warriors needed Draymond Green and he played 79 games for them and even tried to take over a playoff game. The Mavs needed Jae Crowder and he was one of the positive surprises in an otherwise underwhelming season due to Dirk's injury. We need Orlando Johnson to produce and he did.

                        There is not a rule anywhere that says that rookies cannot play. Sure, you can expect them to come in and be world beaters right off the gate but I believe that if the rookie is good enough then you could expect him to give you 5-10 MPG.

                        Miles played 55 total minutes last season. I'm not saying that Vogel should have given a spot in the rotation, but he could have easily given Plumlee more minutes throughout the season if he wanted to. There were plenty of games that the Pacers won comfortably where putting Miles in wouldn't have hurt anything. I don't care personally because I don't think Miles is very good, but the idea that we just had zero minutes to spare throughout the season just isn't true.

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                        • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                          Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post

                          I don't know what's worse, three more weeks without Danny or hearing about it from vnzla. Just kidding! I know which one will be worse.

                          LOL! Just remember vnzla wasn't the only one who predicted Granger wouldn't be starting the season!!! I dislike saying it, but I told you so.

                          I'll say it again: Lance is the starter UNTIL Granger can "earn" back his starting spot! AND I MEAN EARN IT BACK!!!!!!!

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                          • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                            Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
                            We're fine w/o Granger. We were fine without Granger last year and the team is expected to have improved greatly over the offseason, between player development and the improved bench. Anyone who was seriously counting on him being a significant contributor was in lala land. Anything he gives the team is a bonus, like last year. And like last year the Pacers will be good with or without him.

                            At least this should put to rest the ridiculous idea that Lance should be coming off the bench.
                            With the the addition of Scola, Watson, & Hill, and the improvement of OJ and Lance, this team isn't going to falter w/o Granger. Granger isn't a make or break for the Pacers.

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                            • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                              Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                              Miles played 55 total minutes last season. I'm not saying that Vogel should have given a spot in the rotation, but he could have easily given Plumlee more minutes throughout the season if he wanted to. There were plenty of games that the Pacers won comfortably where putting Miles in wouldn't have hurt anything. I don't care personally because I don't think Miles is very good, but the idea that we just had zero minutes to spare throughout the season just isn't true.
                              Miles didn't dress a lot of games, if he did he would have received more garbage minutes. The reason Miles didn't get a lot of minutes last year though is because he just wasn't good enough to merit more minutes last year. Not because Vogel has something against rookies.

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                              • Re: Granger out for three weeks

                                Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                                With the the addition of Scola, Watson, & Hill, and the improvement of OJ and Lance, this team isn't going to falter w/o Granger. Granger isn't a make or break for the Pacers.
                                Switch Granger and Lance and the same holds true. It isn't about will we or will we not be good without one or the other, it is about how do you use them to make the team better as a whole.

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