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    And to quote another title in the Forum:
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    I'm not worried about the other players on the roster. Sure, something freaky can always happen on the basketball court, but only one of our players played in just 5 games last year and then couldn't even make it out of the pre-season without suffering a setback injury.

    Let's hope that this injury heals and that he's fine for the rest of the season. But a minor injury here and a minor injury there would eventually turn into a major problem.
    I honestly worry more about G. Hill having multiple minor injuries...
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    I honestly worry more about G. Hill having multiple minor injuries...
    Agreed. If anyone on our roster is most injury prone, it would be George.

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    He has been more than that in the preseason so far, but a good margin.
    He's been more than a 12 point a game scorer, good outside shooter, in 24 minutes a game, while playing good D off the bench.... in the preseason so far..... by a good margin??????

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    Just as good as he used to be....

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    Agreed. If anyone on our roster is most injury prone, it would be George.

    George Hill games played:

    08-09: 77
    09-10: 78
    10-11: 76
    11-12: 50 (out of 66)
    12-13: 76

    Not sure how he's injury prone. Only once in his career has an injury caused him to miss a significant amount of time, which was the ankle injury a couple of years ago.

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    He has been more than that in the preseason so far, but a good margin.

    Granger shot 31.8% from the field in the pre-season. Granted it's just pre-season, and sure he was no doubt going to look rusty after being away from the game for so long, but he's not even come close to looking like someone who should be the second or third option in the offense.

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    He's been more than a 12 point a game scorer, good outside shooter, in 24 minutes a game, while playing good D off the bench.... in the preseason so far..... by a good margin??????
    I'm not worried about the exact stats, it is only preseason, and he has barely played in over a year. How he has played, though, he has looked like much more than just an outside shooter who can only play 24 minutes a game. He has moved well, created for others, and generally looked more or less like Danny, just missing the shots instead of making them.

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    I honestly worry more about G. Hill having multiple minor injuries...
    I sure hope most people aren't sitting around worrying about George Hill when he's very likely to be healthy. What people should be worried about is whether Danny Granger is available in the playoffs in 2014. I really hope he takes it slow and perhaps comes off the bench starting in January. No hurry people. Let the man heal.

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    I sure hope most people aren't sitting around worrying about George Hill when he's very likely to be healthy. What people should be worried about is whether Danny Granger is available in the playoffs in 2014. I really hope he takes it slow and perhaps comes off the bench starting in January. No hurry people. Let the man heal.
    Hill has been healthy enough to play, but I remember both last year and the year before he had some nagging injuries. I think a hip injury was one of them both seasons, but don't quote me on that part.

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    #Pacers F Danny Granger, in full warm ups, is participating in the layup line before the game but again, he's not expected to play
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    #Pacers F Danny Granger, in full warm ups, is participating in the layup line before the game but again, he's not expected to play
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    That screams of him probably being able to play, but they are being extremely cautious.

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    Local news channel covered this story a day or so back. Showed some practice coverage and Granger seems to be moving around pretty well. Saw a little jumping but nothing extreme. So, I'm going to think they are playing it careful. And, why not? They can see what the new guys can do. If there is any time to be careful, it is the beginning of the season.

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    Vogel declares Danny Granger (calf strain) out for the first two games of the season.

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    George Hill games played:

    08-09: 77
    09-10: 78
    10-11: 76
    11-12: 50 (out of 66)
    12-13: 76

    Not sure how he's injury prone. Only once in his career has an injury caused him to miss a significant amount of time, which was the ankle injury a couple of years ago.
    With Hill it's not about games played, it's about effectiveness. The past two years he has had nagging injuries that he played through, but they limited his mobility. Remember when most everyone complained that Hill wasn't fighting through screens last year? He had hip and groin issues all season. It's admirable that he plays through this stuff (maybe...actually perhaps a little more time off would prevent the chain of little maladies), but when he isn't 100% it does have an impact on the game. This is especially true with our defensive system, which relies heavily on the talents of George and Hibbert. When Hill can't consistently keep his man in front of him that leaves the other two more vulnerable to fouls.

    Hill's tendency to be plagued by nagging injuries is probably not in the top 5 or even 10 of Pacer concerns. But I wouldn't dismiss the idea that he is injury prone based solely on games played/missed. Last year he sat out the whole preseason with a thumb injury, then during the season he had the hip-pointer, a right thigh contusion, a left shoulder contusion, a left groin strain, a concussion...and he aggravated many of those injuries several times. There was even an article on Pacers.com (I think...could have been The Star) about how Hill led the team in injuries.
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    With Hill it's not about games played, it's about effectiveness. The past two years he has had nagging injuries that he played through, but they limited his mobility. Remember when most everyone complained that Hill wasn't fighting through screens last year? He had hip and groin issues all season. It's admirable that he plays through this stuff (maybe...actually perhaps a little more time off would prevent the chain of little maladies), but when he isn't 100% it does have an impact on the game. This is especially true with our defensive system, which relies heavily on the talents of George and Hibbert. When Hill can't consistently keep his man in front of him that leaves the other two more vulnerable to fouls.

    Hill's tendency to be plagued by nagging injuries is probably not in the top 5 or even 10 of Pacer concerns. But I wouldn't dismiss the idea that he is injury prone based solely on games played/missed. Last year he sat out the whole preseason with a thumb injury, then during the season he had the hip-pointer, a right thigh contusion, a left shoulder contusion, a left groin strain, a concussion...and he aggravated many of those injuries several times. There was even an article on Pacers.com (I think...could have been The Star) about how Hill led the team in injuries.
    A good point. I wonder if it had anything to do with the dearth of options behind him? If we'd had CJ/Sloan backing him up, would the coaching staff have been more open to shutting him down for a couple of games?

    If it would mean he's healthy late in the year, it's an option I'd want to consider.
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    Might as well be careful with Granger to avoid a potential setback. It's part of the reason why we brought in Copeland and drafted Solomon Hill.

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    Vogel declares Danny Granger (calf strain) out for the first two games of the season.
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    I feel like the circumstance with Granger has been clear, for a very long time.

    He is getting older, he has a chronic knee injury, and he's not played NBA-level basketball for over 1.5 years now. These are facts that are indisputable. To expect that he's going to be the player that he was in his prime with us is unrealistic. To see him at even 75% of his peak performance in the next 2-3 months is also likely quite unrealistic.

    He has a 14 million dollar expiring contract. Most of that cap space has already been spoken for in PG's new deal. The front office has also been fairly clear that they intend to try hard to resign Lance next offseason. This gives the team very, very little flexibility to trade Granger's contract this year. Doing so would put them over the luxury tax next year, something that it's clear they don't want to do.

    This leaves us in the current circumstance: hoping that he'll deliver something resembling a quality 20-30min/game, with solid perimeter offensive and average defense, and highly, highly unlikely to be traded. We will have to wait and see what his new "steady state" is and be thankful for any sort of consistent contribution.

    Why are folks on this board still wringing their hands about him at this point? You all certainly can't be surprised? I think the goal at this point is to have a solid lineup contributor by the playoffs, which is more or less a coin toss at this point.

    Just my $0.02.

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    To expect that he's going to be the player that he was in his prime with us is unrealistic.
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    As long as Granger can hold his own defensively and shoot from the perimeter with efficiency, he'll help us.

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    @ScottAgness: Ready to lead, play, @RasualButler45 makes Pacers Opening Night roster http://t.co/AsCo1a3P72

    He aims to make a difference on the floor whenever called upon, and there may be some minutes for him at times early on due to the uncertainty surrounding Danny Granger’s health.
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    Hopefully Danny can get back, and perform at a high level without setbacks, sooner rather than later. But that said, there's no reason to push it. There's no reason to rush him back into the starting lineup, and little reason to force feed him large minutes in any role. Simply let him rehab, heal, and s l o w l y work him back into game shape and knock the rust off to hopefully have him ready for some serious evaluation down the road.
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    No one is expecting that, my friend. Absolutely no one is expecting 08-09 Danny. The most that someone can expect is 11-12 Danny.
    I'd take the 05-06 Granger at this point if he could be healthy enough to play 70+ games
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