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Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

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  • #76
    Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

    Originally posted by RWB View Post
    I don't know if you can classify this as love or just being a fanatic but for 6 years I had the pleasure/non-pleasure of watching Peyton's backside while meeting the fans. I can tell you on most occasions when there was a good size crowd I had to jump people's @ss for being way too crazy for wanting an autograph. We're talking men and women willing to push little kids out of the way just so they could be near him. I didn't work around Reggie so maybe he had the same experience but the love/admiration for Peyton reached scary heights.
    I would classify that as evidence.

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    • #77
      Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

      Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
      Sounds like the Pacers in the 90's and early 00's. Missed the playoffs only like once within a 15 year period. Quick rebuild after 00. Turned the Pacers into a winning franchise. The only difference is the Colts got to one more championship game in which they won the championship. All teams go through ebbs and flows. When a team is on a rise they have to go through a period of proving they aren't a losing franchise anymore. The Colts have even gone through it this season. Most people in the media thought last season was more of a fluke than anything, and a lot of people still are not sold on the Colts.

      Look this is all fine and dandy, but none of this speaks of how either player was loved. It only speaks of their accomplishments. Great accomplishments do not necessarily equal more love. They are two separate concepts (i.e. JO vs Foster). So far I am the only one who has shown evidence of greater love, everyone else is just comparing accomplishments. It is like you guys are turning it into a point system where Reggie gets a point for every shot he made, and Manning gets a point for every pass he completed. That isn't talking about love, that is talking about who was the more accomplished player.
      Accomplishments are the main reason why you like a sports figure. Love and accomplishments are not mutually exclusive ideas. We're not talking about a simple football legend vs. basketball legend kind of deal. We're talking about a superstar that is on the level of a LeBron, MJ, Magic, Bird, etc. You're talking about without argument one of the top 3 at his position in history. That's why most fans are drawn to sports figures: because of their accomplishments on the field or court. Longevity in a particular place plays a factor as well.
      Last edited by aamcguy; 10-23-2013, 02:35 PM.
      Time for a new sig.

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      • #78
        Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

        Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
        Accomplishments are the main reason why you like a sports figure. Love and accomplishments are not mutually exclusive ideas. We're not talking about a simple football legend vs. basketball legend kind of deal. We're talking about a superstar that is on the level of a LeBron, MJ, Magic, Bird, etc. You're talking about without argument one of the top 3 at his position in history. That's why most fans are drawn to sports figures: because of their accomplishments on the field or court. Longevity in a particular place plays a factor as well.
        They may not be mutually exclusive, but that also doesn't mean they are dependent either. Again see JO vs Foster. Point being a list of accomplishments shows why he is loved, not how much he is loved. This isn't a scientific equation where all you need to know are their statistics. This is about human reaction to the statistics, and reactions are not always equal.

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        • #79
          Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

          This isn't really a fair poll right now people will say Manning because its NFL, he brought a title, and football matters around here and he still currently plays.

          Reggie made Indianapolis relevant to begin with in professional sports way before Manning and unlike Manning spent his entire career here.

          So for now Manning but that could change if he ends up retiring as a Bronco or something and wins a title there or something to that effect.

          I'd give it a few years and we'll see whether the results change.

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          • #80
            Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

            Come on, it's obviously Peyton. Sollozzo and everyone have made all the points that need to be made.

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            • #81
              Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

              Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
              They may not be mutually exclusive, but that also doesn't mean they are dependent either. Again see JO vs Foster. Point being a list of accomplishments shows why he is loved, not how much he is loved. This isn't a scientific equation where all you need to know are their statistics. This is about human reaction to the statistics, and reactions are not always equal.
              Funny you should bring up JO, as he is actually my favorite Pacer for now. But Foster had a couple things going for him: he was here for a long time and as a role player he was never held responsible for losses or the team underachieving.

              The only thing you can do is ask people who they loved more, and record the response.

              As for Basketball Fan, I don't think Manning would have had a problem "making Indianapolis relevant" even if Reggie hadn't done it. And you can't count him not playing his whole career here because he did not sign with another team in free agency and most Colts fans still want Manning to win when he's not playing the Colts. The love didn't/won't stop just because he moved.
              Time for a new sig.

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              • #82
                Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
                I love Reggie as much as the next guy. But a statue? Shouldn't you have to win a championship to get a statue?
                Or you know, maybe be one the 6 best players at your position more than 3 seasons?
                "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                -Lance Stephenson

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                • #83
                  Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                  Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                  I would argue that when people think of the Pacers, they think of that team that might be pretty good but doesn't have good enough players to win it all. They're compared to the Atlanta Hawks of a few years ago more than to the Celtics, Heat, or Knicks in terms of title contention. Until this year, but that wasn't an effect of the continued attitude from Reggie's era.



                  I know what you meant but don't ever compare the Pacers to the never-been-out-of-the-2nd-round Atlanta Hawks!

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                  • #84
                    Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                    Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post



                    I know what you meant but don't ever compare the Pacers to the never-been-out-of-the-2nd-round Atlanta Hawks!
                    the fact that you instantly knew what I meant without me explicitly saying it proves my point
                    Time for a new sig.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                      Originally posted by aamcguy View Post
                      the fact that you instantly knew what I meant without me explicitly saying it proves my point
                      No it doesn't. I instantly know who Justin Bieber is. But that doesn't make me a Belieber.

                      If people comapare the Pacers of the 90s and 2000 to the Hawks, then they don't know anything about the NBA history. And you know nothing about them if you think they have a point.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                        Unfortunately its Peyton, Hoosiers have lost touch with their roots.
                        Indiana has not lost touch with its roots.....you are just misconceiving Indiana as a mega basketball state meaning that it is a mega Pacer state. Indiana got its reputation as a huge basketball state because of its love and dedication to High School basketball and College basketball.....both of these things remain unchanged....I still have groups of people at my work that talk routinely about High School basketball and Indiana still routinely produces some of the best High School basketball talent year in and year out.....and college basketball and the likes of Indiana even through some awful seasons still sold tickets like crazy.....Indiana's love for basketball has not changed, it just doesn't have the same dedication to pro basketball as either HS or College.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                          Peyton. If there was ever a question before, this answered it:

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                          • #88
                            Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                            Originally posted by Shade View Post
                            Peyton. If there was ever a question before, this answered it:

                            I guess I don't have love affairs with underachievers. Peyton was great to watch over all the years and provided great entertainment, but he almost always broke my heart. Every season except the early years and the super bowl left a sour taste in my mouth. For some reason Reggie really never did. Part of my argument was the expectations that Manning never exceeded, while Reggie always did. Denver fans got the same treatment last year.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                              Originally posted by HickeyS2000 View Post
                              I guess I don't have love affairs with underachievers. Peyton was great to watch over all the years and provided great entertainment, but he almost always broke my heart. Every season except the early years and the super bowl left a sour taste in my mouth. For some reason Reggie really never did. Part of my argument was the expectations that Manning never exceeded, while Reggie always did. Denver fans got the same treatment last year.
                              If you want to say part of the reason you don't have a love affair is because of a lot of disappointments and you feel we should have won more Super Bowls with him fine. However, I think it is highly offensive and unfair to Peyton to use the word UNDERACHIEVER.....He's ACHIEVED everything there is to achieve in pro football and is known as one of if not the hardest worker in the NFL......he has always been a first in last out guy and HIGHLY devoted to his craft......please make your argument a different way than calling the guy an UNDERACHIEVER.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Who has more love in Indy: Reggie or Peyton?

                                Originally posted by VideoVandal View Post
                                If you want to say part of the reason you don't have a love affair is because of a lot of disappointments and you feel we should have won more Super Bowls with him fine. However, I think it is highly offensive and unfair to Peyton to use the word UNDERACHIEVER.....He's ACHIEVED everything there is to achieve in pro football and is known as one of if not the hardest worker in the NFL......he has always been a first in last out guy and HIGHLY devoted to his craft......please make your argument a different way than calling the guy an UNDERACHIEVER.
                                So Peyton did not underachieve in Indy? You feel like he was one-championship type of player? There are people here saying he is the MJ of the NFL, which is ridiculous. I get that it's a lot harder for one player to make that impact in the NFL, and sorry if you don't like to hear it, but Manning underachieved in the playoffs when it mattered most. There is a reason Tom Brady is in the same conversation when you talk about greatest of all time, rings. Peyton doesn't have them, and with his talent, he should. It left a bad taste in a lot of people mouths. Call me bitter if you want, I just care more about playoff accomplishments than regular season accomplishments. Reggie was known to propel his game in the playoffs, Manning was known to choke.

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