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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

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  • #91
    Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
    I'm willing to give DHB a chance when he gets more chances to catch the ball. I feel like if we could pop him open for a real big play it might help his confidence and maybe we can unlock the beast that should be in him. He is such a great physical prospect.

    He is fast as hell, no doubt about that.

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    • #92
      Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

      Originally posted by Miller_time04 View Post
      Josh Gordon is better than anyone we will get in the second round. I really think we had a shot to go deep in the playoffs before this injury...we've beat three of the best teams in the league already. We're not gonna go deep with TY, DHB, and Brazil. We gotta do something. Idk about Nicks, he's good, but not as good as Gordon and Nicks is also very injury prone. Look at what Gordon has done with being double teamed and having Weeden throwing to him. Put him on the Colts with TY and DHB next to him and Luck throwing to him and we have a stud. Instant contenders. Please don't just sit around and expect Brazil or Whalen or Rogers to do anything....it's not gonna happen. And we're gonna lose in the first round of the playoffs....Ugh I hate losing Reggie...this sucks so bad.

      How do you know it's not going to happen? Receivers that get released end up making names for themselves sometimes. We don't even know what we have with Rodgers or even Whalen for that matter.

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      • #93
        Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

        I will be flabbergasted if DHB can step up even relative to what he's done to this point this season. Guys just has bad hands. Sure, he'll continue to catch slants and some routes up to about 15 yards, and maybe he'll even turn one or two into a big play via YAC. But I just don't think he can make catches on deeper routes that he could exploit given his speed. Honestly, I'm not sure the guy comfortable cracks top 3 on some other teams.

        And TY has been extremely inconsistent this year. I think he's looked downright bad the last two games. I'm very worried.

        Would welcome another trade. Speaking of which, while I fully recognize a lot more time is needed to assess the Richardson deal. I would also have to say that SO FAR, it has not looked like a good deal for us. I mean WE could have picked up McGahee for peanuts for depth if Brown was going to increase his carries the way he has.

        But, we've managed to overcome a lot of injuries already so I'm just going to keep believing and also pull for the D to keep coming on. That could be the saving grace right there.
        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

        -Emiliano Zapata

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        • #94
          Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

          I do believe great QB's make their receivers look good. ....But that assumes the WR's can run the proper routes and can catch a ball when it's put in their hands. But that's just saying a great QB can consistently get the ball where the receiver needs it to make a comfortable catch, can find him when he's open, throw a nice ball, etc... The QB can't run the route or catch it for him...

          Then you have receivers like Reggie that just seem to be able to catch anything that gets close to him. That's clearly not DHB. Maybe Hilton can get there...

          It'll do the Colts no good going deep to a wide open DHB if he can't catch a perfectly thrown ball.

          But yeah, one guy's disappointment is another guy's opportunity. Next man up...

          And I agree about Reggie's GB game. That was a highlight among highlights for Reggie.
          Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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          "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

          -John Wooden

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          • #95
            Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

            QBs and WRs are completely reliant on each other. If you have bad WRs your QB isn't going to look good, no matter how good the QB is. If you have a bad QB your WRs are not going to look good no matter how good your WRs are. I great QB doesn't make WRs great, they just allow the WR to reach their full potential, and vice versa.

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            • #96
              Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

              The Colts shouldn't trade for anyone I rather they get someone from the practice squad for the rest of the season I don't want them to make a habit of trading draft picks all the time.

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              • #97
                Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                The Colts shouldn't trade for anyone I rather they get someone from the practice squad for the rest of the season I don't want them to make a habit of trading draft picks all the time.
                We really don't have any picks to trade. Time for our receiving corp to step up. That's what they get paid for.

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                • #98
                  Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                  Really, the most pressure is on 12.

                  TY, DHB, Fleener, sure they have to catch the ball, but LUck's got to realize now his margin for error is not there with those guys. They aren't going to routinely make some of the bacon saving catches that Reggie has made for Luck (and Peyton too if we're being honest), Reggie was the best holy **** did that dude just did that receiver in the league for my money in terms of the way he consistently would reach behind him for catches. Megatron makes some of the most athletic plays, but IMO Reggie consistently displayed the best body control and hands.

                  Luck has to be ready to build these guy's confidence. That means throwing them open on 9-10 yard slants to get them feeling good. Make it easy on them for the first week or two without Reggie and build their confidence.


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                  • #99
                    Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                    The bye week honestly couldn't have come at a better time. It will be nice having an extra week to get those guys adjusted to their heightened new roles.

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                    • Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                      I think because no roster moves have been made yet, we are going to make a trade. It will be interesting to see what Grigson does here.

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                      • Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        The bye week honestly couldn't have come at a better time. It will be nice having an extra week to get those guys adjusted to their heightened new roles.
                        Agreed. Also, if Grigson decides to bring in another wide receiver, there's no better time than the bye week. Gives the new guy a few more days to get acclimated before playing. And with it being almost mid-season, hopefully the new player can become almost completely comfortable with the playbook by the time the postseason rolls around. Well, about as comfortable as you can get without participating in training camp.

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                        • Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                          As someone pointed out on twitter last night, we're only about 1.2 mill under the cap. So a trade is getitng more difficult.


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                          • Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                            Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                            We really don't have any picks to trade. Time for our receiving corp to step up. That's what they get paid for.
                            I know I just don't think Richardson was worth a first round draft pick.

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                            • Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                              Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                              As someone pointed out on twitter last night, we're only about 1.2 mill under the cap. So a trade is getitng more difficult.
                              Good. We are already without our first round pick, I really don't want to deal any more high draft choices. I'm fine with a late rounder for a stop gap guy, but I don't want them to make another splashy deal involving picks.

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                              • Re: Schefter: Colts fear Wayne tore ACL

                                Pagano gave the team the entire week off. So I'm not sure there's going to be any extra work going on. But it'll be good to get people healthy
                                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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