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    CHICAGO -- Derrick Rose believes the Bulls have only one main rival -- and it's the Miami Heat, not the Indiana Pacers.

    Rose made his feelings known before Friday night's preseason contest against the Pacers.

    While being respectful regarding Indiana's recent success, Rose acknowledged that he believed any rivalry with Indiana is a thing of the past.

    "People say that it's a rivalry but I don't really see it," Rose said. "I say the team that is more like a rivalry is when Darren Collison was on the team. That one was more like a rivalry, but this team is a great team. They've already proven themselves last year by making it to the Eastern Conference finals.

    "If anything, by probably in a year or two, it could become a rival. But right now, people say it's a rival ... I just don't see it right now."

    Rose and the Bulls defeated the Pacers in the first round of the playoffs in 2011. When asked what made the rivalry with the Collison-led Pacers different, Rose responded this way.

    "I think it was more like that rivalry feeling where we knew, we thought that they were going to have that same team for a long period of time," Rose said. "Then they end up going different ways, picking up different guys, and I think this team, I think in the next year or two, if both teams have the same teams, then that's when it would become a rivalry."

    When asked specifically if he felt the Heat were the Bulls' biggest rivals, Rose acknowledged that to be the case.

    "If you want say [that], yeah," he said. "For sure, Miami."

    For their part, the Pacers have repeatedly talked about the rivalry they feel they have developed with the Bulls over the years.

    "I think Chicago will always be a rival," Pacers forward Danny Granger said recently. "When you go to the United Center, it's crazy. They have a big home-court advantage there. They have a huge following, not only locally in Chicago, but nationally as well, and I think they'll always be a rival to us. We're really close, so a lot of times there's a lot of Bulls fans here, and vice versa. I think as long as we're in the division, we're going to be rivals."

    Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau was complimentary of Indiana when asked about a potential rivalry with the Pacers.

    "We're all battling for the same thing," he said. "They're deep, they're talented, so we know how good they are. They have size, quickness, toughness, they play together, they play smart, they're well-coached. They're one of the elite teams in the East for sure."

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    Makes sense...

    I stopped considering the Bulls a rival when they lost Kyle Korver.

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    if I had to name an NBA team that the Pacers are most like, I would say the Bulls. In many ways they are very similar. Biggest difference is the Bulls offensive thrust comes from their point guard, pacers offense is my diverse. But defense, rebounding, approach to the game, they are very similar.

    On the question about whether the pacers and Bulls are rivals? Personally I don't care, I do know that the Bulls if relatively healthy are really good and will have to be dealt with in the playoffs

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    if I had to name an NBA team that the Pacers are most like, I would say the Bulls. In many ways they are very similar. Biggest difference is the Bulls offensive thrust comes from their point guard, pacers offense is my diverse. But defense, rebounding, approach to the game, they are very similar.

    On the question about whether the pacers and Bulls are rivals? Personally I don't care, I do know that the Bulls if relatively healthy are really good and will have to be dealt with in the playoffs

    What about the Memphis Grizzles? Aren't they a bit more similar to the Pacers? No wrong answer here, just curious.

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    What about the Memphis Grizzles? Aren't they a bit more similar to the Pacers? No wrong answer here, just curious.
    oops, ok, the Bulls would be the second team I would name.

    My bad.

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    oops, ok, the Bulls would be the second team I would name.

    My bad.
    Don't think the Grizz are similar to us anymore. They have zero dynamic wing play.

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    Kornheiser on PTI thinks only the Nets and Bulls pose a threat to the Heat in the east. Apparently the team that took Miami to 7 games in the Eastern Conference Finals last season ceased to exist.

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    Kornheiser on PTI thinks only the Nets and Bulls pose a threat to the Heat in the east. Apparently the team that took Miami to 7 games in the Eastern Conference Finals last season ceased to exist.
    Apparently, so does Vegas. They give the Bulls a better chance of beating Miami than Indy.

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    Apparently, so does Vegas. They give the Bulls a better chance of beating Miami than Indy.
    That's because the majority of folks are overrating Rose's return, while ignoring a few key facts:

    Granger is returning.
    Pacers bench should be much improved.
    PG is a year older.
    Hibbert.
    Deng is degrading rapidly.
    Noah will be lucky to play 60 games this season.
    Boozer.


    But yeah, give me the team that gets Rose back while losing Nate Rob/Bellinelli and have Noah dealing with foot problems and Deng getting hurt every 5 games over a clearly improved Pacers team that was one of the 3 best in the NBA the last half of the year including the playoffs.

    *Deep breath* ****. The. Bulls.

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    I kind of agree with Rose. I mean the Bulls and Pacers haven't been elite during the same season since the 90's.

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    I kind of agree with Rose. I mean the Bulls and Pacers haven't been elite during the same season since the 90's.
    Yeah, it is worth emphasizing that Rose's rationale is a lack of continuity here, not competitiveness.

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    Yeah, it is worth emphasizing that Rose's rationale is a lack of continuity here, not competitiveness.
    His rationale is the lack of Darren Collison for some bizarre reason.

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    Rose obviously didn't watch the NBA last season. The Pacers are going to man handle the Bulls and win the division
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    The Pacers, even with what they have done the last two years, are still not given respect. The Heat don't even consider the Pacers a rival even though they beat them five times in the playoffs the last two years, which is a hell of a lot more success than the Bulls have had against Miami. The Celtics only have four postseason wins against the LeBron era Heat yet they are considered a chief rival of Miami.

    Small market= no respect.

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    The Pacers, even with what they have done the last two years, are still not given respect. The Heat don't even consider the Pacers a rival even though they beat them five times in the playoffs the last two years, which is a hell of a lot more success than the Bulls have had against Miami. The Celtics only have four postseason wins against the LeBron era Heat yet they are considered a chief rival of Miami.

    Small market= no respect.
    Just because a team isn't considered a rival, it doesn't mean that team isn't respected. Right now it means a little more to the pacers to beat Miami than it does for Miami to beat the pacers. Till we knock them out of the playoffs they'll probably continue to feel that way. It doesn't mean they don't respect us though

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    I am guessing that the answer to this question about who the Bulls True Rival will be changed to the Pacers after the Summer of 2014. My guess is that this is the last year of the Big 2 and Tag Along in Miami. I would not be surprised if LeDecision, Wade and Tag Along will bolt for Free Agency to lock in a new contract in the summer of 2014.
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    Me thinks thou doth protest too much, Derrick.

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    I honestly don't care what the players say anymore. As far as I am concerned there is no bigger Pacer rival. Rivalries are for the fans more than the players anyways. For them, especially the younger players, it is just business, there is no incentive for them to get too attached to a team or hate a team too much as changing teams is likely. Most of them didn't grow up rooting for the team they play for, so any fan rivalries do not matter as they don't have that history. So **** the players opinion.

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    Darren Collison, Derrick Rose's only true foil.

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    I think we should just go to the United Center tonight and, win or lose, celebrate loudly in the locker room.....THEN Rose would consider us rivals....

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    He sure cried an awful lot about the Pacers celebrating that win in Chicago for a team that isn't a rival....
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    I'm glad I read his quotes because earlier when I had only seen the headline, I was more dismissive of this.

    But to Rose's credit, he had a thoughtful response that he elaborated on, and he doesn't seem to really think about any team as specifically a rival. I see where he's coming from.

    Really since the 2011 playoffs, regular season notwithstanding, we've been passing ships in the night due to the circumstances.

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    I'm glad I read his quotes because earlier when I had only seen the headline, I was more dismissive of this.

    But to Rose's credit, he had a thoughtful response that he elaborated on, and he doesn't seem to really think about any team as specifically a rival. I see where he's coming from.

    Really since the 2011 playoffs, regular season notwithstanding, we've been passing ships in the night due to the circumstances.
    To be fair....isn't most of what DRose said the same type of comments that we were posting in one of the recent Pacers/Heat Rivals thread?

    To me, when one discusses Rivals....it suggests that your opponent is on the same level as you are....both are comprable to each other. I think that the Pacers/Bulls are on the same level and therefore makes sense to consider them Rivals.....only cuz both Teams have something to prove. But they can't prove that they are on the same level as the Heat ( the Best Team in the League until they lose in the NBA Playoffs ) and therefore are considered "rivals" until they actually beat them all.
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    Default Re: Rose: Pacers great, but Heat only true rival

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    I'm glad I read his quotes because earlier when I had only seen the headline, I was more dismissive of this.

    But to Rose's credit, he had a thoughtful response that he elaborated on, and he doesn't seem to really think about any team as specifically a rival. I see where he's coming from.

    Really since the 2011 playoffs, regular season notwithstanding, we've been passing ships in the night due to the circumstances.
    The key players have changed so much on our end since that Pacers v Bulls playoff series. I think his use of Darren Collison (his primary assignment) was just indicative of the player turnover since Rose last played. I don't think it will take 2 years for him to consider us rivals again.

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