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    THE RON-AROUND by Peter Vecsey
    January 18, 2005 --

    DON'T believe a thing you've read or heard concerning the Knicks and Pacers conversing about a Ron Artest trade. Never happened and never will, not as long as Isiah Thomas, Artest's coach for three years at Indiana, is coordinating incoming for New York.

    In fact, every trade report (Knicks, Heat and one or two others) that has surfaced re Artest is fictitious. The only legit offer Indiana has received for its suspended All-Star since he performed "handstands" at The Palace was from Memphis (rising free agent Bonzi Wells) and it was summarily rejected; Chicago native Michael Heisley found Tru Warier's competitiveness as a Bull irresistible and hasn't lost his attachment as the Grizzlies' owner.



    Any day now Artest is expected to start practicing with a team he almost certainly won't represent between the lines again. Educated speculation affirms Pacers management will not leave the organization vulnerable by giving him another chance to subvert another season.

    Still, the overriding feeling is Artest is a top ten player, or awfully close to it. And despite his disruptive behavior he'll be worth a lot more than Bonzi come summer.

    In the interim, Artest is spending much of his forced down time sharing his innermost thoughts with others in an effort to repair long-lasting loose connections. Think what you want about him for his riotous role and other alarming incidents where he went off the deep end, but there's no denying he's trying to learn how to control his emotions.

    I nearly added, "and better himself," but that notion would've been flawed. The reality is, Artest already is a better person than many of us, exceedingly generous with his time, concern and money with family, friends and especially kids. He may not always be manageable, responsible or coherent, but he's always looking after their best interests and is unswervingly loyal to those who've helped him.

    When Artest negotiated a shoe deal last summer with LA Gear, one of his principal priorities was to take care of his high school teams with equipment. Shortly after the brawl the company voided his contract.

    Naturally, LaSalle's kids got stiffed in the process — without so much as a warning, or a regret, or a reply to a inquiry from the school's head coach just as their season was about to get underway.

    Did LA Gear rupture its commitment to the kids? Under the circumstances, I suppose not. The deal, however, was in place for months, so weren't they owed a little something?

    Was LA Gear obligated to come across with sneakers and uniforms? No, I guess not, not legally, anyway; but how about ethically? It wouldn't have broken the company, I suspect, to fork over the goods.

    Here's a company that immediately invalidated an agreement with a player based on high moral grounds yet didn't have the decency to do what's right by a bunch of kids. LA Gear wanted to protect its "good name" by separating itself from Artest. In my book, the exact opposite happened.

    Memo to LA Gear: Artest's actions will cost him roughly $5.4 million this season, give or take a deal with a discourteous shoe company. Nonetheless, his two college and one high school scholarships for LaSalle students were not withdrawn.

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    Subject: Camp Cablevision's Gore-y Weekend

    After a pair of last-second losses to the suddenly Compati-Bulls, it's clear where the Knicks' blame lies — Herman Edwards.

    And to think, when Thomas proclaimed his team good for "42, 43 wins," certified skeptics figured he was low-ballin' to keep expectations down to a minimum and away from himself, his hand-picked coach and his overpaid (17-20, losers of three in a row and seven-of-eight) floor mats.

    Turns out after the Martin Luther King Day meltdown, Thomas, too, must be dreaming.

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    Subject: Minny Math Lesson — Addition by Subtraction

    Michael Olowokandi finally earned his Timberwolves keep by provoking Nene into a fist-fight, the way it was meant to be, mano-a-mano instead of mano-a-fanatico. Both received the same four-game sanctioned sentence and we all know who came out ahead on that score. The Crying Wolves, who hosted Toronto last night, have dutifully improved on this Kandi-free diet, winning that game in Denver and the next vs. the frontcourt-less Blazers.

    This just in: So it shouldn't be a total loss, Latrell Sprewell petitioned David Stern to turn over Olowokandi's paychecks to his near starving family.

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    Now we shall see if the Wizards can survive a second Bush administration without Larry (fractured right thumb) Hughes. He is expected to be out close to six weeks, a major blow to Washington, off to its best start (22-13 before last night's adventure in San Antonio) in 26 years. Hughes was putting up career numbers in just about all categories, the only player, in fact, averaging more than 20 points (21.2), five boards (6.1), five assists (5.3) and 2.5 steals (2.82).

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    This just in: An American institution takes place again the day after tomorrow in our nation's capital. Every four years, a president gets sworn in and every four minutes, Wes Unseld gets sworn at.

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    Educated speculation affirms Pacers management will not leave the organization vulnerable by giving him another chance to subvert another season
    Now this has me wondering, who did he go to for a consult.......

    a load of bollocks if one asked me, even the "nice" part about Ron.
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    Now this has me wondering, who did he go to for a consult.......

    a load of bollocks if one asked me, even the "nice" part about Ron.

    Vescey has always been full of ***** and is still full of *****.

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    We turned down Bonzi Wells??????

    I don't know if I believe this one though because I actually read a statement from West himself who said he didn't want Artest anywhere near his team. But times change.

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    We turned down Bonzi Wells??????

    I don't know if I believe this one though because I actually read a statement from West himself who said he didn't want Artest anywhere near his team. But times change.
    Maybe that is true but the "educated speculation" b.s. of Ron being traded in the summer is full of ***** and should not have been in his article.

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    This whole thing makes me every sad

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    This whole thing make me every sad

    Don't put too much merit into his b.s. Ron will play in a Pacer uniform again.

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    I'm not flaming Sass, honestly, but I'm curious. What will be your reaction IF Ron is traded?
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    I'm not flaming Sass, honestly, but I'm curious. What will be your reaction IF Ron is traded?
    Who knows, I can't predict the future...but I will be very very disappointed and probably go into depression as knowing the Pacers gave up their chance to be NBA Champs...but that won't happen...I will always be a Pacer fan, esp. since Reggie is going to retire a Pacer but I really love Ron and the hopes of titles he brings for us.

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    Who knows, I can't predict the future...but I will be very very disappointed and probably go into depression as knowing the Pacers gave up their chance to be NBA Champs...but that won't happen...I will always be a Pacer fan, esp. since Reggie is going to retire a Pacer but I really love Ron and the hopes of titles he brings for us.

    Fair enough.
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    Don't put too much merit into his b.s. Ron will play in a Pacer uniform again.
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    I said don't put merit into Vescey...he talks too much b.s.

    Indygeezer asked me what I would do if Ron was traded and I answered him because I do not know exactly what my reaction would be.

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    Ron is going to start to practice with the team and they do wear "Pacer" uniforms, so I guess he could be right.


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    We turned down Bonzi Wells??????

    I don't know if I believe this one though because I actually read a statement from West himself who said he didn't want Artest anywhere near his team. But times change.
    Looks like Hiesley was over-riding West. Wonder how Jerry feels about that?

    That's if you believe Vecsey here. But this trade story was probably planted by Vecsey's high school buddy - many of you know who I'm referring to, so take it with a grain of salt.
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    Vecsey has been right from time to time. I do remember the rumor that Memphis tried to send Bonzi here and that we rejected it. I think it was durring last season if I remember correctly. We talked about it in here at the time.

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    We turned down Bonzi Wells??????

    I don't know if I believe this one though because I actually read a statement from West himself who said he didn't want Artest anywhere near his team. But times change.
    Last summer Sam Smith claimed West wanted Artest and was going to successfully trade for him.

    Are you saying Bonzi would be a good addition to the Pacers? I hope not. He is riskier than Ron, if you ask me. He has a history of anti social behavior and seems to cause internal problems, if things don't go his way. Racial comments reportedly have flown freely from Bonzi's potty mouth. Don't forget he was run out of Portland for a series of ill-mannered behavior. Talk to someone from Portland about him.

    True Bonzi is a good ball player, but he's not near the player Ron has become. Nor is he, from all I can tell, the quality of human being that Ron is.

    I'd run miles away from Bonzi who needs a new contract, too, by the way.

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    Bonzi is trash. I like his game well enough, but if we're trading Ron for him (or would have; guess we said no) for character/lockerroom/chemistry issues, this would be at the absolute best a lateral move. Waste of time. Do we really want a racist here? I'm typing this at BSU student center. How ironic. Well, a little.

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    How is Bonzi exactly a racist?

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    So did Walsh have Vecsey print this as a message to Ron or a message to the fans?

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    "The Portland Trailblazers' Bonzi Wells will not be disciplined by the National Basketball Association for allegedly taunting white players with racial epithets during numerous games, reports WOIA radio.

    Wells was suspended for a day for spitting in the face of San Antonio's Danny Ferry during a game, but will not be punished for calling Ferry a "[blanking] honkie" during another game.

    Other opposing players have made similar charges. Golden State's Troy Murphy said Wells called him a "cracker" once, and the Mavericks' Nick Van Exel says Wells called his team "a bunch of soft-[bleep] white boys."

    NBA Vice President Stu Jackson said the charges were a "non-issue" because he had received no formal complaints."

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,75997,00.html

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    So did Walsh have Vecsey print this as a message to Ron or a message to the fans?

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    I hope that it is a message to Ron - and that he hears it 'loud and clear'.

    Listen, Ron knows what the media perception of him is. Ron knows what GM's around the league think of him. Ron knows what the general public perception of him is. And I'm sure that Ron knows that many Pacer fans themselves have had it with him.

    But in my opinion, we need to give him - yes - one more chance. I know everyone is thinking "he's had so many chances...what will make this time any different?". Well, Ron's image has probably never been so low - and being the "good natured guy" we hear so much about, I wonder if he is at all concerned for his fans and his family...leading me to believe he may be enticed to pull a 180 if given the opportunity.

    The fact is, Ron has never had such a lengthy suspension. No one in the entire history of the league has! We will have suffered through the "bad" part of the suspension - which is the suspension itself...but suspensions are assigned with the intent that "good" will result. A 30-game suspension certainly served its purpose with Stephen Jackson (or so he says it did) - so we can only be lead to believe that a season long suspension will undoubtedly teach Artest.

    In my opinion, this year has been such a loss for Artest, we need to first see how he will respond next year before making any decision. Remember - suspensions are made with a purpose in mind. Let's just hope this exceeding long and harsh penalty reaches Artest. Who knows...maybe this is all he needed to reach that next level...

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    As a player, I have the utmost respect for Ron and his abilities. I don't think losing him though would mean the end of their championship hopes as some people seem to think.

    But in the end this is about more than a suspension can fix. He has issues. That is appearent to everyone. Not questioning his heart, his niceness as a person or anything but he has "mental problems" that need to be sorted out.

    Speaking as someone who has had to deal with that in the past I know that it'd take more than just time off to do that.

    I know that he has sought professional therapy for this. We'll just have to wait and see the results of it because I truly think that is what will determine his performance when he comes back next year.

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    -snip- I know that he has sought professional therapy for this. We'll just have to wait and see the results of it because I truly think that is what will determine his performance when he comes back next year.
    Do we know that?

    We've seen from a couple of sources that he's undergoing professional therapy. But we don't know if he's sought it out himself, or if he's been "forced" into it by either his employer or the league (or his family or whatever.)

    And IMO, that's a very important distiction. If he's there voluntarily, I could understand why some of you would jump back onto the Ron Artest bandwagon.

    But if he's there by someone else's choosing, we've seen before that it could bring temporary public improvement followed by a devastating setback/ relapse.

    Again, I think Ron's best chance at a full recovery is to go to another team that they 'build around him.' He doesn't seem well-suited to be the second or third most important player on a team, and I don't think JO is going anywhere (Tinsley might, but I hope not.)
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    Sorry Jay that was just my wording. I know he is "in" therapy. I guess I don't know how he got there.

    But I think I remember seeing the article where it said he had started therapy that it was done on his own accord. But then again I'm not too sure. You make a good point though.

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    Sorry Jay that was just my wording. I know he is "in" therapy. I guess I don't know how he got there.

    But I think I remember seeing the article where it said he had started therapy that it was done on his own accord. But then again I'm not too sure. You make a good point though.
    I hope you're right, because although I'd prefer the team move on without him, I recognize the possibility that our 'asking price' is still/ will be too high. And if we're stuck with him, I want him to have *at least* voluntarily sought professional help.
    Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
    Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
    Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
    Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
    And life itself, rushing over me
    Life itself, the wind in black elms,
    Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


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