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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

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  • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    I have seen that and other interviews, Kaman is upset about not getting playing time as a bench player he is not upset about not been an starter or anything like that, nuntious is making it sound like he wants to be the starter and doesn't want to be a backup and that is not true.
    Do you honestly think that he'd play enough minutes here in order to make him happy?
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
      What shags said.

      Kaman didn't go to LA hoping to be a back-up. He went to LA expecting to be the starting Center with Gasol being the starting Power Forward and Jordan Hill being the 1st big off the bench.

      Take a look at this as well -> http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/nb...blockID=918749



      Kaman expected to have a bigger role with the Lakers than he had with Dallas (when he started but only played 20 MPG) but his expectations weren't met.
      That doesn't say anything about him been the starter and expecting to start.
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      • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
        19 and 10 for Kaman so far and the guy who "outplayed" him has 0 points, watch D'antoni bench him next week.
        I think that the quotation marks are really unnecessary. Sacre has played 167 minutes in December while Kaman has played 94 minutes. And Kaman wasn't injured either. His coach just decided that Sacre deserved to play more minutes than him.
        Originally posted by IrishPacer
        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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        • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
          Do you honestly think that he'd play enough minutes here in order to make him happy?
          There is not doubt that if he was here he takes Ian's minutes and never looks back he is just that good.

          (note that I'm not going to argue about the made up "defensive system" talk so please don't bring it up)
          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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          • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
            That doesn't say anything about him been the starter and expecting to start.
            Why do you think that he left then? If it wasn't about PT then he would stay in Dallas and retire with his buddy, Dirk.

            http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...of-centers.ece

            As the Mavericks ran away from the Phoenix Suns down the stretch Sunday night, they also unveiled their new relay team of centers.
            Their 110-95 victory over a dog-tired group of Suns featured four centers rotating in and out, including rookie Bernard James, who got his first NBA start. After him, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman and Brandan Wright took turns, and all had moments of success.
            They combined to pile up 24 points and 14 rebounds, which made the collective effort quite impressive.
            But it’s inevitable in these situations that at least one player is left feeling frustrated, and Kaman, while trying his best not to rock the boat, admitted the fall from starter to backup to 11-minute man has been tough.
            “It’s not really fun sitting over there and playing 10 or 15 minutes a game,” Kaman said. “It’s frustrating. I guess it’s on me. It’s been building up lately. Elton’s been playing pretty well. Coach does what he thinks is going to help the team. That’s all I can really say.”
            Asked if he and coach Rick Carlisle have talked about the situation, Kaman said: “We’ve had conversations. It’s not like negative conversations. But it’s frustrating. I’d rather not talk about it and get myself in trouble.”
            Clearly, though, this isn’t the scenario Kaman thought he was getting into when he signed with the Mavericks.
            While Kaman is not happy with his personal situation, he understands the only thing that really matters to Carlisle is winning.
            And this -> http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...art-vs-nuggets

            And this -> http://www.beyondthebuzzer.com/2013/...h-role-on-mavs

            Mind you, all those instances are different and they all happened in his 1 year as a Maverick. He wasn't happy with his role then and expected something more. He isn't happy with his role on the Lakers either.

            What makes you think that we can afford to give him enough minutes to be happy?
            Originally posted by IrishPacer
            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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            • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

              David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 52s
              Just got a brief text from Al Horford, who says he's "probably not" going to be back for the playoffs this year. That truly stinks.


              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                There is not doubt that if he was here he takes Ian's minutes and never looks back he is just that good.
                Ian is playing 15.6 MPG. Do you think that Kaman would be happy with those minutes?

                Kaman disagrees:

                It’s not really fun sitting over there and playing 10 or 15 minutes a game,” Kaman said. “It’s frustrating.

                http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...of-centers.ece

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                (note that I'm not going to argue about the made up "defensive system" talk so please don't bring it up)
                Don't worry. I know that you don't care about defense so I wasn't going to bring it up.
                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                  Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                  David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt 52s
                  Just got a brief text from Al Horford, who says he's "probably not" going to be back for the playoffs this year. That truly stinks.


                  That sucks. Poor Al
                  Originally posted by IrishPacer
                  Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                  • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                    Greg Oden running, jumping and didn't break in a million pieces:

                    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ad-to-recovery
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                    • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                      D'Antoni is just clowning with the guy not wonder why he is frustrated, I'm OK with that because as long as his value is low there is a chance

                      Serena Winters ‏@SerenaWinters 2m
                      D'Antoni didn't make it sound like Kaman's worked himself into rotation once Pau returns: "Obviously when Pau comes back stuff has to give."

                      Serena Winters ‏@SerenaWinters 2m
                      D'Antoni reiterated that he thought Chris Kaman played well, but it's just a matter of "numbers," and not everyone can play.

                      19 and 10 with 3 blocks and this guy is pulling a JOB by acting like it was "irrelevant" lol
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                      • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                        Was Carlisle "clowning" with him as well last year? Because he had tons of complaints about Carlisle as well.
                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
                        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                        • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                          Nice game between Miami and Sacramento, lets go Kings!!!!
                          @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                          • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                            Sacramento is up 5 against Miami in OT. Gay has been crucial in those last possessions (end of 4th and start of OT). Isaiah Thomas is close to a triple-double and Cousins is having a 22/15/5/2 game so far.
                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                            • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                              Rudy getting Lebron back for his comments earlier in the year

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                              • Re: The 10th NBA Random Thoughts thread 2013-2014: Coveting Miami's Crown

                                Cousins with a world-class flop drew a flagrant foul call that allowed the Kings to score 4 points in one possession and force OT.

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