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    Kobe signs an extension.



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    Kobe signs an extension.


    And the Lakers continue to be stupid as rocks. I'd tell Kobe thanks but no thanks. You can't pay a 36-37 year old Kobe 24 Million a season. Its soo stupid. You okay to him, if you want to retire a Laker you take 10 Million/year for as many years as you want and you ride out into the sunset while we rebuild this team.
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    Kobe signs an extension.


    Unfathomably stupid.

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    He's worth it to the Lakers brand. It obviously makes it extremely hard to build a contending team. I assume Kobe knows that, he's smart. He's apparently fine w/ going out on mediocre teams. Or he's delusional, wait, HAS THE HEART OF A CHAMPION SUCH A WARRIOR, and thinks he can do it on his own.

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    There might be more to this deal with the Lakers than what we're seeing here. Unless they're paying him a cut of what they made from him through the years yeah its too much for a player his age.. And to think I was joking that he'd return before Rose would.

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    He's worth it to the Lakers brand. It obviously makes it extremely hard to build a contending team. I assume Kobe knows that, he's smart. He's apparently fine w/ going out on mediocre teams. Or he's delusional, wait, HAS THE HEART OF A CHAMPION SUCH A WARRIOR, and thinks he can do it on his own.
    The Lakers don't look half bad with the team they have now in the East they'd be one of the top seeds the West not so much?

    But really its not the players as much as its MDA that's a problem he's not that great beyond offense.

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    stupid. That was not market price for a soon-to-retire SG.

    Paying for past performance excludes future success. He can't say with a straight face anymore that it's all about the winning.
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    I just don't understand why they'd do this now when they haven't even seen what he will look like post-injury. Why not wait until the off-season?

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    Looks like Kobe thinks the all-time scoring title is a more manageable goal than a sixth ring.

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    For one thing I think the Lakers realize that Kobe still draws the crowd and is still the face of the franchise. That will be profitable for both sides IMO. As long as Kobe still sells the jerseys and the tickets, it's impossible for the Lakers to pay less if Kobe demands it.

    Of course, paying Kobe that much money throws out the possibility of immediately rebuilding. Probably they realize that they are still a big market to draw some big name stars, but that will take 2 more years. Maybe if a Jerry West-handled team will gift wrap another star to the Lakers the way he gift wrapped Gasol during his Grizzlies time.

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    For one thing I think the Lakers realize that Kobe still draws the crowd and is still the face of the franchise. That will be profitable for both sides IMO. As long as Kobe still sells the jerseys and the tickets, it's impossible for the Lakers to pay less if Kobe demands it.

    Of course, paying Kobe that much money throws out the possibility of immediately rebuilding. Probably they realize that they are still a big market to draw some big name stars, but that will take 2 more years. Maybe if a Jerry West-handled team will gift wrap another star to the Lakers the way he gift wrapped Gasol during his Grizzlies time.

    I never understood the whole gift wrapped Gasol trade people forget that Pau was also traded for his brother who last I checked was a good player in his own right and has helped Memphis a lot.

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    I just don't understand why they'd do this now when they haven't even seen what he will look like post-injury. Why not wait until the off-season?

    I think he's better than he's letting on I find it hard to believe they haven't seen him play by now. Its like when people thought the Broncos were nuts to sign Manning not knowing how he'll perform. They've seen him perform in some capacity. Kobe won't be physically the same but he's fundamental enough to still play like Duncan.
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    I never understood the whole gift wrapped Gasol trade people forget that Pau was also traded for his brother who last I checked was a good player in his own right and has helped Memphis a lot.
    It certainly ended up working out very nicely for Memphis. But at the time of the trade in Feb. 08, Marc Gasol had never even played an NBA minute. It was a complete steal for the Lakers when it happened. The Grizz basically gave away Pau for a prospect who they hoped would pan out. Thankfully he did.

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    It certainly ended up working out very nicely for Memphis. But at the time of the trade in Feb. 08, Marc Gasol had never even played an NBA minute. It was a complete steal for the Lakers when it happened. The Grizz basically gave away Pau for a prospect who they hoped would pan out. Thankfully he did.
    Then I get but to think that now is just absurd to me. Especially since unlike his brother Marc actually won playoff games with Memphis. People seem to forget Pau didn't amount to much as a first option on the Grizzlies in the postseason. But as a complement to Kobe did he break through that "wall".

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    For one thing I think the Lakers realize that Kobe still draws the crowd and is still the face of the franchise. That will be profitable for both sides IMO. As long as Kobe still sells the jerseys and the tickets, it's impossible for the Lakers to pay less if Kobe demands it.

    Of course, paying Kobe that much money throws out the possibility of immediately rebuilding. Probably they realize that they are still a big market to draw some big name stars, but that will take 2 more years. Maybe if a Jerry West-handled team will gift wrap another star to the Lakers the way he gift wrapped Gasol during his Grizzlies time.
    Kobe is definitely the franchise and is an obvious ticket draw. But everyone knows that he doesn't want to play anywhere else, which gave the Lakers a little bit of leverage. I just don't understand why in the world you'd do this now when no one knows for sure what he will look like post-injury. If anyone can play great at age 35 after an injury like that, it's Kobe, but he still is a human being who has a ton of miles on him with a brutal injury. There's no guarantee that he completely regains his old form. The Lakers should have waited to see how he looks when he comes back. That would have given them some leverage, along with the fact that he obviously wants to retire there.

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    Then I get but to think that now is just absurd to me. Especially since unlike his brother Marc actually won playoff games with Memphis. People seem to forget Pau didn't amount to much as a first option on the Grizzlies in the postseason. But as a complement to Kobe did he break through that "wall".
    Agreed. It's one of those trades that ended up working well for both sides. The Grizzlies weren't going anywhere with Paul, while the Lakers desperately needed to get some star help for Kobe while he was still in his prime so that they could make a run at some championships. The Lakers got an all-star who helped them make three straight Finals, and the Grizz got his younger brother who has blossomed into a very nice player.

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    I never understood the whole gift wrapped Gasol trade people forget that Pau was also traded for his brother who last I checked was a good player in his own right and has helped Memphis a lot.

    I think he's better than he's letting on I find it hard to believe they haven't seen him play by now. Its like when people thought the Broncos were nuts to sign Manning not knowing how he'll perform. They've seen him perform in some capacity. Kobe won't be physically the same but he's fundamental enough to still play like Duncan.
    Talent wise Marc has really caught up, but still not as much as how good Pau was in his Memphis days. If anything, it was the gamble on ZBo that has significantly pushed Memphis upward (and has helped the growth of Marc to be the defensive specialist inside the paint). If Memphis was really high on Marc, who was a 2nd round pick by the Lakers, they could've shopped a first rounder then traded Pau to better assets than an expiring Kwame Brown. It has looked great the last couple of years, but I think the window is nearing its close to the Grizzlies and is starting to look like the previous Grizzlies team all over again.

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    Kobe is definitely the franchise and is an obvious ticket draw. But everyone knows that he doesn't want to play anywhere else, which gave the Lakers a little bit of leverage. I just don't understand why in the world you'd do this now when no one knows for sure what he will look like post-injury. If anyone can play great at age 35 after an injury like that, it's Kobe, but he still is a human being who has a ton of miles on him with a brutal injury. There's no guarantee that he completely regains his old form. The Lakers should have waited to see how he looks when he comes back. That would have given them some leverage, along with the fact that he obviously wants to retire there.
    I'm surprised myself but the decision to keep Kobe may have something to do with Dwight leaving. It has been in the broadcast before, but Buss was quoted as saying that it will be Dwight's team in 2 years. In that sense, the owner's initial plan was to free up cap space with Kobe's expiring contract.

    With the plan getting botched up by Dwight's departure, Buss may not have any other choice but to keep Kobe as the franchise guy while waiting for the cap space to clear up in the next 2 years, including Nash. That puts Kobe in the leverage in negotiations. Their only remaining high-valued asset now is Gasol, and I wouldn't be surprised if he got dealt this season for future prospects.

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    Kobe probably saw what happened to Derrick Rose, and wanted a contract done before he came back and Lakers were willing to give. This is what happens when you see Nick Young play for an extended number of minutes...
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    Saturday's game against Philly had the highest local TV ratings of any Pacers game since the 2005 opener. That's surprising and great! I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I think we had a real dropoff in ratings after 10 games last season. This season they're increasing.

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    Paul G's supermax contract doesn't look too bad now, eh?

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    Paul G's supermax contract doesn't look too bad now, eh?
    It never did.

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    Paul G's supermax contract doesn't look too bad now, eh?
    that 5th year player option still sure as hell does

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    Kobe never put the team before himself and played for less EVER he was always a little money grubber.
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    Twin Cities radio guy, no idea how plugged in he actually is.

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    Twin Cities radio guy, no idea how plugged in he actually is.

    He has at least one great source in the Wolves' organization but I listened to his program and he didn't have many useful details that I didn't already find online beforehand. He says the Knicks, Nets, Kings and Jazz as potential landing spots. Went over some trades that work under the cap and as most can see based on the list of destinations... slim pickings without relatively complicated trades. I think the best, realistic targets on those four teams would be Jason Thompson, Mbah a Moute, or maybe Alec Burks... but from the Wolves' perspective I think I'd be prepared to be disappointed.

    I was beating the Derrick Williams-for-Evan Turner drum this past summer.... wow, that would have been a coup for the Wolves.

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