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  • Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/98...n-nba-coverage

    Magic Johnson leaving ESPN


    Earvin "Magic" Johnson has informed ESPN that he will no longer be part of its NBA coverage because of his other commitments.

    Earvin "Magic" Johnson announced on Thursday that he'll no longer be part of ESPN's NBA coverage because of his other commitments.

    Johnson, a five-time NBA champion, three-time MVP and member of the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame, joined the network in 2008. He appeared on ESPN and ABC as a studio and game analyst.

    "We appreciate Magic's contributions and wish him well in his future endeavors," John Wildhack, ESPN's executive vice president, production, said in a statement. "We are in the process of determining our NBA commentator roles for the upcoming season."

    Johnson is part of the ownership group that agreed to buy the Los Angeles Dodgers in March 2012. Since retiring from basketball, he has been successful in business, investing in movie theaters, a production company and restaurants. He also has been an activist in the fight against HIV after being diagnosed with the virus in 1991.

    He expanded his role on ESPN to join "NBA Countdown" in 2011.

    "I love ESPN. Unfortunately, due to the nature of my schedule and other commitments, I don't feel confident that I can continue to devote the time needed to thrive in my role," Johnson said in a statement. "I will always feel a strong connection to the ESPN family and I enjoyed working with them very much."

    Earlier this week, ESPN announced the hiring of former 76ers coach Doug Collins as an analyst on a number of NBA shows. Collins was expected to work alongside Johnson on those shows.

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    They need a charismatic former nba player in the studio. It just wasn't magic, especially with Simmons in there pissing him off.

    I don't particularly care for Simmons either on TV, FYI. But if they're going to keep him, find someone that doesn't resent his existence. That whole studio was doomed from the start. The conference finals and nba finals when they went on the road was an embarrassment of pettiness.
    Last edited by Kstat; 10-10-2013, 03:28 PM.

    It wasn't about being the team everyone loved, it was about beating the teams everyone else loved.

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      Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

      Steal Chris Webber from TNT.

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        I'm not too sure what I would do with their studio show. They need to decide what they want, an entertainment show or more of a sports show. Up to this point it hasn't really been anything. They should not true to duplicate TNT show - that would be a disaster. So TNT has that covered, and NBATV is great at sticking to the games and giving the diehard fans what they want.

        I think brent Barry is the best thing on NBATV, so maybe they should try to steal him, but that probably won't work. And I don't think sticking Doug Collins in the studio is the best use of him, he needs to be at the games.

        Maybe pair Jeff Van Gundy and Stan Van Gundy in the studio and see what happens.

        I dont know

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        • #5
          Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

          Looks like they are replacing Magic with Doris Burke.

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          • #6
            Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

            Well, nevermind, Doris Burke w/ Simmons, that has to be odd, though it could work. Guessing the move will get mostly laughs from fans though, at least it keeps her off the broadcasts, I thought she was average at best on those. It's a bit different going from analizing 2 teams, to all 30 (well probably more like maybe 10 or so, most the rest get ignored anyway).

            Simmons must make them a ton of money though.
            Last edited by Cactus Jax; 10-10-2013, 03:59 PM.
            "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

            ----------------- Reggie Miller

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            • #7
              Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

              Originally posted by immortality View Post
              Steal Chris Webber from TNT.
              See I like him on game telecast better than in the studio. (If I were running TNT and I might promote CWebb to lead analyst replacing Reggie and Steve Kerr)

              Charles, Kenny and Ernie are the gold standard (although when I am in the mood for pure basketball I like NBATV)

              Isiah is pretty good in the studio, except sometimes he beats a point to death.

              If grant Hill hadn't already signed with TNT, I would say ESPN should go after him.

              The fact is if you want to be on TV and unless you can be ESPN/ABC lead TV analyst (meaning you do the NBA Finals) I think Turner, TNT and NBATV is a better place to work. They give you more time, more freedom to say what you want, less scripted

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              • #8
                Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

                Actually that is not a bad idea. I have heard her interviewed on Dakich and other radio shows and she is very good, much better than her game analysis, so she might be pretty good in the studio
                Last edited by Unclebuck; 10-10-2013, 04:04 PM.

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                  Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                  I'm not too sure what I would do with their studio show. They need to decide what they want, an entertainment show or more of a sports show. Up to this point it hasn't really been anything. They should not true to duplicate TNT show - that would be a disaster. So TNT has that covered, and NBATV is great at sticking to the games and giving the diehard fans what they want.

                  I think brent Barry is the best thing on NBATV, so maybe they should try to steal him, but that probably won't work. And I don't think sticking Doug Collins in the studio is the best use of him, he needs to be at the games.

                  Maybe pair Jeff Van Gundy and Stan Van Gundy in the studio and see what happens.

                  I dont know
                  Stern/Adam Silver would be having to shake their heads all the time, if the ESPN Studio had both Van Gundy's and Bill Simmons on it lol.
                  "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                  ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                    Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

                    Originally posted by Cactus Jax View Post
                    Stern/Adam Silver would be having to shake their heads all the time, if the ESPN Studio had both Van Gundy's and Bill Simmons on it lol.
                    No, i am saying get rid of Jalen, Simmons, move Doug to lead game. bring in a host for the Van Gundy's. I would watch that.

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                      Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      No, i am saying get rid of Jalen, Simmons, move Doug to lead game. bring in a host for the Van Gundy's. I would watch that.
                      That would be more ideal, but I guess using Simmons and having weird, awkward moments during every studio broadcast is worth the money he makes them off Grantland. I actually do think he was much better than the Magic/Wilbon duo by a fair margin, just when he goes off into either his crazy NBA trades or NBA should change these things theories, it throws the other people off. I think Doug will take it much more lightly than the guys that left did, I don't know about Doris.
                      "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                      ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                      • #12
                        Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

                        That is an interesting dynamic Doris Burke and Simmons. So it is Rose/Simmons/Burke/Collins? Seems interesting, Rose and Simmons are great on Grantland. I wonder who is replacing Burke on the road. If ESPN get rids of Jon Barry, I'll be happy.

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                            Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

                            Going from a legendary top 5 all time player to Doris Burke is great for any NBA show. The ratings should see a significant spike.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Magic Johnson leaving ESPN

                              Oh dear god. Magic wasn't great, but he was better than drying paint.
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