How you got "I think the o line was good back then" from my comment is what blows my mind. I said it was worse this year. THat doesn't mean that I think they were "good" in those days. How hard is it for you to understand that as bad as our line was back then, our line this year is still worse, even if not by a massive margin? This year's run-blocking is easily the worst I've seen from this Colts team in at least a decade, and that's saying a LOT, because we've had some pretty bad years.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-23-2013 at 08:42 PM.
There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.
Luck has been hurried/hit/sacked/knocked down at a faster rate this year than last year's fairly crazy rate. I think what you're seeing is Luck just got that much better at protecting the ball and avoiding pressure.
There is a very good article on BR about Trent Richardson. I agree with Miller on most of his points. And as expected the truth is somewhere in the middle. Yes he runs behind an average or below average OL but his vision leaves a lot to be desired at times like demonstrated here
...and here as demonstrated by @ColtsAuth_Kyle on his twitter
Last edited by Johanvil; 10-25-2013 at 04:27 PM.
Personally I hate these snap shots of him running the wrong way. They really don't do the plays justice or his decision making IMO and those last two are hilariously not the same as far as blocking goes.
Look at the second play again.
For DBrowns play, there's 7 defenders in the box (the 8th guy on the top right looks like a defensive back comin from the secondary). The line execution is a lot better. Our lineman actually have containment of their opponent and have better push. The entire left side has basically become a non-option, so Brown's only choice is to go right, which is also better sealed than in TRich's play.
For TRich's play, there's 8 defenders in the box. Also 1 more Colt, so the entire scene is more congested. We do not have complete contain, and there is less push. The defender on #75 is not contained, and if TRich goes right instead, that guy will arm-tackle him. Unlike DBrowns play, Rich actually has the option to go left, as it's almost as open as the right. On the left Fleener has lost his one-on-one. I'm guessing it's his man that gets to TRich.
Really not a shock to me that DBrown's play was more successful, less people and the ones that are there are doing their jobs better.
I do notice that TRich is facing more guys in the box, and I'd bet that it's because opposing D's are giving him a lot more respect than they do Brown.
Also... the article comparing his 'Bama days to his NFL days is pretty hilarious. What a MASSIVE difference in o-line and competition. The hogs at 'Bama during his tenure was one of the most legendary o-lines in recent college history.. the o-lines he's had in the pros have both been pretty bad run-blocking. Just watching the few clips they linked from 'Bama, he has way more room to operate.
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 10-25-2013 at 10:36 PM.
Arm tackle Richardson?
More people are in the box against Richardson because they know when he's in the game there's a better chance of us doing a power run.
If you read the article, the guy mentions that in the end. It's part of the mystery surrounding Richardson. He played behind (seriously) one of the best college offensive lines of all-time--at least the past 30 years. He could afford to be patient there and wait for the holes. Here (and in the NFL in general), he won't have the same.
I thought the points he made were fair.
Last edited by cdash; 10-25-2013 at 10:46 PM.
I'll accept the blocking has room to improve. I'll also accept Richardson can't be fully evaluated now. He deserves until at least the end of the year, arguably early next season with a full battery of off-season prep with the team.
With that said, his "early term" grade from me would be a D+ given what we gave up to get him. I am hoping that his "final grade" will be significantly better.
I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
What it ultimately comes down to is Brown made the cut that kept him moving forward, while Richardson made the cut that forced him to stop and move sideways. If Richardson would have gone the other way instead of getting one yard he would have gotten at least 3 or 4 if not more. Maybe that is the difference in blocking, but that does not negate Richardson making the wrong cut in that situation.
Some other notes.
You seem to be completely ignoring the player who had completely beaten his block on Brown's play, and who would have had a much easier time tackling Brown than the guy who was being blocked by #75.
Also #75 seems to be blocking a LB, and only just initiating the block, it is certainly possible he could have had a much better block by the time Richardson got to him.
No the left isn't as open. Notice the guy up in the left corner. On the right, all he has to do is get past the guy #75 is blocking, and then space.
Overall the blocking seems to be about equal. The difference is Brown made the correct cut while Richardson did not, and it plays out on how many yards each one got.