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  • Re: Colts-Broncos

    Originally posted by presto123 View Post
    Lets get real though. At that time it was Polian who ran the franchise. You should be mad at Polian only and he's not even here. Polian was so much in charge in those days that he even tried to appoint his son as his successor. Yes, Irsay should have ditched Polian way sooner than he did, but only now has Irsay regained his team somewhat and has much more say in what goes on and the blueprint of the team. I was as pissed as you that we threw away a perfect season, but now that Polian is gone I have no issues.
    Irsay was still the owner, and allowed it to happen. He could have overruled him if he didn't agree with the approach, but he didn't. The buck stops with the owner.

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      Would've loved to try and go for the perfect regular season in 09, but they weren't winning in the snow in Buffalo the last game, Peyton just isn't designed for that, and the Bills would've gone all out.
      "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

      ----------------- Reggie Miller

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        Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
        Irsay was still the owner, and allowed it to happen. He could have overruled him if he didn't agree with the approach, but he didn't. The buck stops with the owner.
        I'd assume at that point Irsay still believed in Polian. Plus, Irsay hired Polian to make those kinds of decisions whether he liked it or not. Maybe he thought it best to let the manager manage.

        Of course maybe that is one of the reasons Irsay lost faith and ultimately decided it was time for Polian to go. For all we know, maybe that was the beginning of the end?

        I'm not sure I want Irsay over-ruling the coaches and the management. IMO he should've fired Polian before he did, but on the other hand, AFAIK he allowed Polian to do his job and didn't micromanage him.

        I despise Polian and not going for the perfect season is one of the reasons. His arrogance is another. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that one of the reasons he didn't go for the perfect season was because the fans wanted it and the media and pundits were mostly on the side of going for it, so Polian, being the contrarian and thinking himself the smartest man in the room, did the opposite just to spite everyone. The main thing I have against him is how year after year, once the Colts' were figured out and the Achilles heel (run defense) was on display every weekend funneling teams into the perfect gameplan to beat the Colts, he didn't address it. He scoffed at fans and media who complained about it as not being 'football people'.
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
          Irsay was still the owner, and allowed it to happen. He could have overruled him if he didn't agree with the approach, but he didn't. The buck stops with the owner.

          I wouldn't be surprised if Irsay regrets not doing that in hindsight. But Irsay paid Bill and his ill-equipped son Fredo big money to make those sort of decisions. I'm sure that at the time, he didn't want to cross the line of meddling into how they ran a team that was at the top of the NFL. Though when it comes to something as big as the perfect season, I think it would have been appropriate for him to say something. That's a bit different than telling them who to pick in the fourth round. But as was mentioned earlier, Irsay had clearly allowed the Polians to have too much control of the franchise. Thankfully Irsay came to his senses and realized that Bill handing over the reigns to his son Fredo was an awful idea.

          I really do think that was the beginning if the end for NaPolian in Indy. It's not a good thing when the President of a small market team is essentially telling the fans and local media to screw off. And by quitting on the perfect season, we pretty much gave the middle finger to everything that the NFL and professional sports stands for. We embarrassed the entire league with the whole country watching. The NFL couldn't have been happy about it either. And perhaps most importantly, we dishonored our HOF QB by not allowing him that opportunity. But that horse has been beaten to death. I do think that Irsay realized that the team had to get a bit "friendlier" with the local media and fans when they could no longer rely on Peyton for popularity. You won't see Grigs ever berating fans.
          Last edited by Sollozzo; 10-18-2013, 09:44 AM.

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            I'm sick of all this crap. I just want to beat the crap out of the Broncos tonight. Nothing less will satisfy my anger. GO COLTS.
            Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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              Originally posted by Suaveness View Post
              I'm sick of all this crap. I just want to beat the crap out of the Broncos tonight. Nothing less will satisfy my anger. GO COLTS.

              All of the elite national NFL media might as well just put on #18 Bronco jerseys tonight. I don't know if I've ever seen the media so biased in the outcome of a game. They are just dying for Peyton to come in here and stick it to the Colts. I sure hope we spoil their dream story. It's going to be a national day of mourning on ESPN tomorrow if the Broncos lose this game. Mort and Schefty will be inconsolable.

              GO COLTS!!!!!!
              Last edited by Sollozzo; 10-20-2013, 11:57 AM.

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                The media is always biased why does this surprise you?

                They go for a better story it fits the narrative if the Broncos win than the Colts who personality wise are rather dull(to be honest they've always been which is fine for me but to to the media who always focuses on the negative)

                I don't have an issue with it.

                Regardless of the outcome it won't change the fact that one team loses and other team wins. That's all this game is to me anyways.

                I mean nobody here will think going with Luck was the wrong choice right?
                Last edited by Basketball Fan; 10-20-2013, 12:10 PM.

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                  Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                  The media is always biased why does this surprise you?

                  They go for a better story it fits the narrative if the Broncos win than the Colts who personality wise are rather dull(to be honest they've always been which is fine for me but to to the media who always focuses on the negative)

                  I don't have an issue with it.
                  I never said that I was surprised by it.

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                    Should've waited till after he retired to do all this.

                    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ield/#comments

                    Colts will play Peyton Manning tribute as Broncos enter the field

                    Posted by Mike Florio on October 19, 2013, 7:17 PM EDT

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                    Colts owner Jim Irsay has promised a “great tribute” of former Colts quarterback Peyton Manning.

                    According to WISH-TV, the tribute will come in the form of a video played when the Broncos are introduced.

                    As we explained on Friday, Manning won’t be individually introduced. By league rule (which was adopted fairly recently), the visiting team now must be introduced as a group.

                    The video is expected to be fairly short, and the Broncos believe, we’re told, that it will have no impact on Manning’s pregame preparations, which are notoriously meticulous.

                    Other pregame distractions aren’t likely, since Manning spends limited time on the field before a game. Unlike plenty of other players, Manning enters the field only when he’s fully dressed in his uniform, as part of the structured warmups.

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                      Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                      Should've waited till after he retired to do all this.

                      http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ield/#comments

                      Why? Even Kelvin Hayden got a video tribute when he returned with the Falcons in 2011. Cato June also got one in 2007 when he returned with Tampa. We obviously gave Saturday one last year when he returned with the Packers.

                      So why would we not give one to the greatest player in franchise history?

                      Peyton got to say goodbye the fans in the press conference. Peyton got to say goodbye to his teammates. Peyton got to say goodbye to the media. Irsay got to say goodbye to Peyton, and vice-versa. But the fans never got to say goodbye to Peyton. No one could have ever dreamed that the Jets game would be the last time he had a horseshoe on his dome. The fans deserve the opportunity to give him a round of applause tonight.

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                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        Why? Even Kelvin Hayden got a video tribute when he returned with the Falcons in 2011. Cato June also got one in 2007 when he returned with Tampa. We obviously gave Saturday one last year when he returned with the Packers.

                        So why would we not give one to the greatest player in franchise history?

                        Peyton got to say goodbye the fans in the press conference. Peyton got to say goodbye to his teammates. Peyton got to say goodbye to the media. Irsay got to say goodbye to Peyton, and vice-versa. But the fans never got to say goodbye to Peyton. No one could have ever dreamed that the Jets game would be the last time he had a horseshoe on his dome. The fans deserve the opportunity to give him a round of applause tonight.

                        I would've waited for retirement after Saturday as the other two weren't nearly as impactful for the Colts if given the choice but obviously Manning is different than the others we said our goodbye to him when he was cut it wasn't the nicest sendoff but it rarely is in professional sports a pregame tribute won't change that.

                        I'd say Manning was the greatest in the Indy Era Colts but not Colts in general with Unitas as an option.
                        Last edited by Basketball Fan; 10-20-2013, 01:14 PM.

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                          Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                          I would've waited for retirement after Saturday as the other two weren't nearly as impactful for the Colts if given the choice but obviously Manning is different than the others we said our goodbye to him when he was cut it wasn't the nicest sendoff but it rarely is in professional sports a pregame tribute won't change that.

                          I'd say Manning was the greatest in the Indy Era Colts but not Colts in general with Unitas as an option.
                          My point was that he's the best player that the Indy fans have ever rooted for. Whether he's better than Unitas doesn't really matter.

                          There's no way that the Colts could just ignore his return and not do anything. That would be viewed as the ultimate snub.

                          A pregame tribute doesn't change much, but it does allow the fans to get him a farewell standing ovation that he deserves. You can't run videos of dudes like Kelvin Hayden and Cato June while not doing anything for Peyton Manning.

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                            Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                            My point was that he's the best player that the Indy fans have ever rooted for. Whether he's better than Unitas doesn't really matter.

                            There's no way that the Colts could just ignore his return and not do anything. That would be viewed as the ultimate snub.

                            A pregame tribute doesn't change much, but it does allow the fans to get him a farewell standing ovation that he deserves. You can't run videos of dudes like Kelvin Hayden and Cato June while not doing anything for Peyton Manning.

                            Yes but its not just him its going to be the Broncos team with him there's the rub here. That's why I would prefer retirement for these tributes because its just them and them alone.

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                              Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
                              Yes but its not just him its going to be the Broncos team with him there's the rub here. That's why I would prefer retirement for these tributes because its just them and them alone.
                              I don't really mind it. I think it's pretty common and a classy thing to do. Get all the pre-game hugs over with though. I want the Colts to gut the ****ing Broncos once that game starts.

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                                Roof open tonight...
                                Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                                "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

                                -John Wooden

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