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    Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

    ONE-ON-ONE WITH JERMAINE O'NEAL
    'What would you do?'
    Pacer finally voices feelings on brawl and aftermath

    (Indystar: http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/210138-4024-179.html )


    Jermaine O'Neal reacts after making two free throws against the Grizzlies. He has led Indiana in scoring in eight of 11 games since returning from his suspension. -- Alan Spearman / Associated Press


    By Kristen Leigh Porter
    kristen.leigh.porter@indystar.com
    January 17, 2005


    Jermaine O'Neal has let his play speak for itself since returning from suspension Dec. 25.

    But his thoughts and emotions about the brawl at the Palace of Auburn Hills on Nov. 19 and its aftermath have been building. After Friday's game, which would have been the last he would have missed under his original suspension, the words spilled out.

    The 26-year-old All-Star forward expressed sorrow for his role in the melee that night in suburban Detroit, explained the fear he felt, the dismay at his original suspension, his current image and the role race might have played in the media's portrayal of the incident.

    "That was probably the toughest thing that I had to deal with going through was I couldn't talk," while legal matters surrounding the case are still being resolved, O'Neal said in a near-empty Pacers locker room after Friday's game. "Nobody was hearing me. You were hearing from other people, but you weren't hearing from me."

    O'Neal spoke for almost 30 minutes, his demeanor alternating between thoughtful and animated, but he also had a question: What would you do in the same situation?

    "I don't think there's enough people in this world that's actually sat back and pondered," he said. "There's 15 of us with Pacers jerseys on against thousands. If you listen to some of the 911 calls, people were afraid. What about us? If people can come onto the court, there's no way in hell you can get off the court."

    The blame game

    O'Neal said NBA commissioner David Stern overreacted, in part because of the media attention the incident drew. The day after the brawl, Stern announced indefinite suspensions to Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, O'Neal and Detroit's Ben Wallace. On Nov. 21, Stern revised those suspensions: Artest was lost for the season, Jackson was out for 30 games, O'Neal for 25 and Wallace six.

    "I don't feel like he possibly took his time and looked at everything," O'Neal said. "I think he felt pressure from watching too much TV and made a quick decision. His responsibility is for the NBA -- for fans and also for the players. You can't just say, 'We're going to make it safe for fans.' This is his statement in the press conference.

    "Well, what about the guys that got the fans here?"

    In his Nov. 20 statement, Stern stressed the need to keep NBA arenas safe and acknowledged that the penalties issued dealt only with one aspect of the incident: player misconduct. He also outlined the need for new security guidelines.

    "People come to watch teams, and I'm a guy that loves interaction with fans," O'Neal said. "I think it's totally ridiculous to say, 'OK, we've got to figure out a way to divide the players and the fans.' That's what makes tougher arenas tough to play in. When you sit up there and say, 'OK, we're going to figure out a way to make it safe for these fans to come to our games,' and I'm like, 'people are throwing chairs.'

    ". . . You can't just make it one-sided and say three guys were totally wrong because all of us were wrong."

    Media and the message

    The images of Artest being hit by a cup then charging into the stands, the punches thrown by O'Neal and Jackson, the chair flying, have been replayed worldwide. The public condemnation of the NBA and players involved was swift and harsh.

    The more he watched replays, the worse O'Neal felt for peers also taking the hit.

    He wondered what role the league's racial makeup played in the brawl coverage afterward.

    "We all knew the league is 80-85 percent black, we all know that. We didn't talk about the baseball player (Rangers relief pitcher Frank Francisco) just breaking a lady's (Jennifer Bueno) nose with a chair because she was talking. They didn't talk about that for weeks, did they? Every day for six weeks you see something on TV about it. They didn't talk about the guy trying to kill his agent.(former St. Louis Blues player Mike Danton pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit murder for hire.)

    "These are people that are not black, and that touched me a little bit because that's totally unfair for this league to be judged off one incident."

    O'Neal also criticized the media's reaction to the brawl.

    He said networks chose not to show other angles, especially involving O'Neal and spectator Charlie Haddad, who had entered the court area.

    According to the police report, while Haddad was being assisted to his feet by Palace employees after being struck by Artest, O'Neal came across the floor and struck Haddad with a fist to the head without provocation.

    "They wanted to make it look like there was some delay," O'Neal said. "They timed it in court -- only a second, right at a second between the time from where I went to the guy. They chose not to do all that because they wanted to make us look like we were overpaid athletes out of control. And that totally touched me the wrong way."

    The police report says officers felt compelled to draw pepper spray on players.

    "They don't talk about how they tried to mace us, the players," O'Neal said. "What are we of value? You don't value us?"

    Stay tuned

    O'Neal said he will accept his punishment, as he did the suspensions. But he hates that his name forever will be linked with player-fans altercations.

    The saga is far from over.

    On Jan. 25, O'Neal and the other players and fans charged are scheduled for a pretrial hearing,

    Judge Lisa Asadoorian is "compelling them all to be there," according to Oakland County assistant prosecutor Paul Walton.

    O'Neal, who was charged with two counts of assault and/or battery, doesn't understand.

    "They want that, they want it to be brought back up, because that's the only reason why they want us to come down there," he said. "They know they shouldn't have us coming down there for a misdemeanor. Right when it died down, they want to fire it back up."

    O'Neal hasn't talked much since a judge upheld an arbitrator's ruling that his suspension should be reduced by 10 games.

    "I learned from it, but it's going to flare up because we gotta go to court," O'Neal said. "It's going to be a process that's going to keep going until everything's over with. You gotta deal with it. I was involved and I've got to deal with it. I'm going to take it like a man just like my suspensions. But I feel like at the end of the day, I'm going to be seen as a better person."
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    I love Jermaine....Jermaine and the team support each and every player involved in the incident 110%.
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    Another Jermaine O'Neal Article

    Remorseful O'Neal defends NBA, players

    (From Sun Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...orts-headlines )
    By Michael Cunningham
    STAFF WRITER
    Posted January 16 2005

    INDIANAPOLIS · If not for a favorable ruling by a federal judge, Indiana Pacers forward Jermaine O'Neal probably would have watched his team's game against Phoenix on Friday night on television.

    It would have been the final game of a 25-game suspension for O'Neal's role in the brawl between Pacers players and Detroit Pistons fans Nov. 19. A judge upheld an arbitrator's ruling that NBA Commissioner David Stern's punishment of O'Neal was too harsh, and O'Neal returned Dec. 25 after missing just 15 games.

    O'Neal said after Indiana's 101-83 victory that the significance of Friday's game didn't occur to him.

    "When I got cleared, that calendar went out the window," O'Neal said.

    Instead, O'Neal's mind is busy with other thoughts about the fight and the public reaction to it. O'Neal said he wonders why the predominantly black NBA is judged more harshly than other sports. Why, he asked, did a fight between players and fans lead to a conversation about the state of the league and the temperament of its players?

    When a Major League Baseball player threw a chair at a heckling fan or an NHL player was sent to prison for plotting to kill his agent, O'Neal said the reaction was more subdued and the criticism was limited to the individuals.

    "These are people that are not black," O'Neal said. "That cuts me a little bit because it is totally unfair for this league to be damaged by what happened [in Detroit]."

    O'Neal, 26, said he doesn't understand why there is talk about an age limit for NBA rookies when athletes in baseball, hockey and golf, among other sports, routinely turn professional as teenagers with no public fuss. He wonders why critics say high school players are hurting the league when some of them are among the best and most popular players.

    "I don't know what it is, but as a black athlete that came out of high school, I feel like it is because we are black," O'Neal said.

    O'Neal said he feels that because of what happened in Detroit, he has been portrayed as a thug when nothing in his history suggests he is violent.

    "I am not a killer," said O'Neal, a three-time All-Star. "I am not a beastly guy. It was just a bad situation that happened. Everybody goes through situations where you say, `Man, I wish that hadn't happened.'

    "But does that make you a bad person?"

    For about 20 minutes Friday night, O'Neal, thoughtful and seemingly earnest, contemplated such questions and their possible answers to a handful of reporters. He said he accepts that he and his teammates deserved punishment for the fight. It started when Pacers forward Ron Artest, reacting to being hit in the face by a fan's drink, rushed the stands and ignited a brawl that eventually spilled onto the playing floor.

    O'Neal did not rush the stands, but punched a man who was among a handful of fans that came onto the court. Artest's suspension was for 73 games, Stephen Jackson got 30 and Anthony Johnson got five.

    O'Neal's suspension was the only one of the four overturned on appeal by arbitrator Roger Kaplan. In his report, Kaplan said of O'Neal: "He is the recipient of a couple of awards attesting to his character, community involvement and citizenship. His one punch of a spectator, while excessive, was clearly out of character."

    The league appealed to a federal judge, arguing that its collective bargaining agreement with players gives Stern discretion to hand out such suspensions. The judge upheld Kaplan's decision.

    "I think that made me breathe a little bit easier," O'Neal said of Kaplan citing his character. "`He is a good guy in a bad situation.' That is really what it was."

    Teammates Jamaal Tinsley and Fred Jones said O'Neal cares deeply about what the public thinks of him. Jones said there have been times he has been out with O'Neal and the two ended up being late somewhere because O'Neal made time to talk to fans.

    O'Neal said he has always taken his position as a role model seriously, both because his 5-year-old daughter, Asjia, and "millions of other kids and fans" look up to him. But the idea of O'Neal as a nice guy and good citizen is in contrast to what TV cameras showed from Nov. 19.

    The video of O'Neal lunging at the fan and throwing a vicious punch to his face was one of several shocking scenes that was replayed for days and dissected by newspaper columnists and television analysts. Too many of them, O'Neal said, used the incident to condemn the league's players.

    "What has to do with me, I am willing to deal with all of that," he said, "but it is hard to accept people trying to [criticize] my peers and my league."

    He said all baseball players didn't suffer when Rangers pitcher Frank Francisco threw a chair that hit a woman in the stands in 2004. Nor was there much worrying about the state of the NHL last month when player Mike Danton was sentenced to prison for conspiring to have his agent murdered.

    Several times O'Neal said he wasn't making excuses for his role in the fight. But he said he is troubled by how the media covered it.

    He said eventually all the furor will pass.

    "When I walk away from the game and if I continue to live my life the way I have lived it, nobody will never remember this," O'Neal said.

    He said this not long after he said it "kills" him to be associated with what is considered the worst player-fan brawl in U.S. sports history, so how does he expect to escape its stigma?

    "Obviously, it is going to be difficult," he said. "But I can't see 15, 16 years from now, [people saying], `You are the guy that got in the fight in Detroit.' They are not going to say that.

    "They are going to say, `Jermaine O'Neal is a great guy and also a good basketball player.'"

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    • #3
      Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

      I like the Jermaine O'Neal in the second article a lot more than I like him in the first.

      That first one just had me :shakehead .

      On one hand he seems to take responsibilty then on the other he seems to be wanting special treatment.

      I'm not going to get into a "We ride together" debate, but I was just dissapointed in that first article.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • #4
        Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

        Peck, I can understand the headshaking on either article, however what it comes down to is that he is just as dissapointed as most of us in the fact that the only ones punished were the players, with the largest part falling on the Pacers' shoulders.

        It goes without saying perhaps for us, but to consider that amidst a riot the police ( all 2 or 3 of them) were more busy macing the players that were in reality the target for a thousands strong crowd then trying to contain the crowd, should make anyone wonder what on earth was going on.
        The negligence of the press to form their own opinion and have the guts to write it is amazing at the very least.

        The portraying of these players as thugs and hoodlums might be a nice card for Stern to play, and give him the edge to do what he did, but it remains ridiculous.

        If ever an event was portayed in one particular way to favour the display to the general public in order to gain unjust advantage then it was this matter, mainly directed by the NBA.

        Please do not say that the media was free to write whatever it wanted, even Montieth has now hinted at last 5 times that he strongly disagrees with what happened, yet he does not come out saying so, ESPN went and did a 180 in less then 24 hours, and many press clippings are so identical that it is clear they were prefab.

        "The anger" as it is described will most likely grow over time, and the disperity between the punishments here and those in other sports for equal to worse events will only grow.

        It will also (in due course) be picked up by the general public, once someone does an indepth on it, when someone has the guts to write something not approved by the NBA, likely when that somebody is not depending on the NBA for his or her lifelyhood as a writer.

        What happened was bad, very bad, what happened afterwards was and is far worse however, supression of facts is an outright idiocy, forcing opinion towards you a scandal and it will backfire at one stage, the waiting is not for if it happens, but when it happens.
        So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

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        Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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        • #5
          Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

          Originally posted by able
          If ever an event was portayed in one particular way to favour the display to the general public in order to gain unjust advantage then it was this matter, mainly directed by the NBA.
          Absolutely fantastic Able...for those of us watching the game live and seeing the reaction from everyone involved in the game including all the broadcasters and commentators said the majority of the blame should go on the fans and not the players because the players were attacked first...but 24 hours later all the blame was placed on the players and the fans and the Palace organization got away with crime...I remember reading an ESPN article where the V.P. of ESPN personally made phone calls to people like Stephen A. Smith to make sure their "viewpoints were adjusted"....where the hell is the free press?

          The Pacers as a franchise, and in particular Ron Artest were put as the scapegoats instead of it being shared all around. David Stern is an inempt commissioner who has no place in the NBA. He's a nazi jew (no racism intended)...it is just true.

          Btw...the first article made me proud...it shows the players stand by each other and support each other 110% even though some people on here may not think so for some reason...

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          • #6
            Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

            I loved the first one.

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            • #7
              Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

              ^Same here.

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              • #8
                Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

                Playing the race card made me dissapointed in him. That wasn't the smartest move.

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                • #9
                  Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

                  Originally posted by efx
                  Playing the race card made me dissapointed in him. That wasn't the smartest move.
                  It is telling the truth and saying things how they are.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

                    Originally posted by efx
                    Playing the race card made me dissapointed in him. That wasn't the smartest move.
                    Playing the race card was appropriate here.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

                      I'm a "nearing 60" conservative white male living in a red state and I thought of this first thing. You listen to those guys on ESPN radio for the last couple of years and you'd think Ron was the 2nd coming of Jeffrey Dahmer. They were WAY OVER THE TOP in their criticism of him. But the chair throwing baseball player...a couple of days and on to the next item.
                      No, even I could see the injustice of the reporting of these events and it gave me pause to think.
                      Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

                        I guess I just don't see it as much where I live (NYC).

                        I don't think it's a blame game towards black people as much as it is towards the Pacers.
                        Now, I don't believe in any conspiracy theories but the Pacers for the last couple of years have become that "dangerous" team that hack sports people like ESPN like to attach themselves to and report on in a negative light.

                        However, I don't think it has as much to do with race though. The papers here have blasted Shockey ever since he came into the leauge.

                        And I'd also like to express how ****ing tasteless it is for people to compare Stern to Hitler, no matter how jokingly it may have been intended as.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

                          I have no idea if it has anything to do with race. I tend to think it is more of just an anti-NBA bias. If anything goes wrong in the NBA it is talked about, but rarely do national media ever talk about the game. Look for it for the next month or so and see if you ever hear anything about an actual game. Highlights don't count.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

                            I also love the first article. The man is speaking the truth.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Jermaine O'Neal Speaks Out!

                              When you have punishment being handed out by totally different people in different leagues, I think it is invalid to compare one with the other.

                              It is comparing apples and oranges. I cannot make the comparison that player A in baseball is given a somewhat lenient punishment by a baseball commissioner whereas a black player in basketball is given a somewhat harsh punishment by the basketball commissioner.

                              The commissioners are two totally different people who did not communicate whatsoever in deciding what the respective punishments should be.

                              For that reason, I don't see where the race card can be played at all.

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