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Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

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    Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

    First we will start off by saying what everyone already knows, it was a pre-season game, in the grand scheme of things it means nothing and has virtually no impact on our team or their team going forward. I say that because some of my observations are just going to be direct and to the point and I know someone is going to want to say “but it’s pre-season”. I know it’s pre-season so I hope to avoid those conversations.

    • I don’t care who is on our team, I don’t care what player we put on him. For whatever reason Taj Gibson is our Lord and Master. We just do not nor have we ever been able to match up to this guy. He abused Tyler when he was here and he now continues in the tradition by abusing Lois Scola. He’s a very good player, should be a starter & would be a on a lot of teams but there’s just no reason this guy should be this much trouble for us.
    • The fact that Jimmy Butler was called for 1 foul this entire game should be the basis of a Masters Thesis for someone. Brian Urlacher didn’t have as much contact in a normal game as what Butler did tonight yet not only did he only get one foul he went to the foul line himself 12 effen times. He attempted 1 less free throw than our entire starting lineup.
    • Derrick Rose certainly has lost none of his speed and he was making cuts just fine out there, I think any concern about him holding back mentally can be put to rest. He certainly did not appear to be afraid of driving.
    • Much to everyone’s shock, Bulls fans are still the most obnoxious group of horses @sses that have ever walked the planet. I can safely say that tonight we were either right at a 50/50 split or the sad truth is there may actually have been more of them present tonight. I never want to see them in the playoffs ever again and honestly I wish they wouldn’t come back this year for a game here at all. They are actually so bad that they are the one fan base that actually takes away my enjoyment of the game.
    • Our shooting was bad, our rebounding was worse. I don’t mind all of the missed shots, some of them where actually comical because they were either a foot short or long on many of our misses. However I can’t stand being outworked on the board. We lost the board battle by almost 20 and if you would have asked me right after the game I would have told you it was worse than that.
    • BTW, we already saw how the NBA is going to call the Derrick Rose throwing his body into a stationary Roy Hibbert. Get used to it.
    • Might as well just deal with this right now. Danny looked like crap. He looked out of place all night and obviously he couldn’t hit water from a boat. I can live with that, he always starts slow. But the zero rebounds was so offensive I was ready to ship him off on the Asian trip at half time.
    • On the other hand Danny physically looked fine. He looked a little winded but given the amount of min. he played I think that’s understandable seeing as how he hasn’t played for so long. But he was able to cut just fine and he was running okay with it. I haven’t heard any post game reports about him though.
    • Paul George, when he wasn’t fouling someone, was just a beast. He had a stretch in the 3rd quarter that was just absolutely magical, however short lived due to foul issues.
    • Here is an interesting thing, just prior to Paul fouling out Corbeil told Danny that he was done for the night, Danny asked why with a very confused look on his face and Josh seemed to indicate it was his knee and it was a min. limit to which Danny disgustedly said “man” and then Josh further questioned him about the knee and Danny indicated he was good to go and Josh shook his head okay and then Danny set down. It wasn’t but a few min. after that conversation took place that Paul fouled out and Danny came back.
    • CJ Watson is going to be a blessing as time goes on I have a feeling. I had forgotten how actually good he was at penetrating and dishing. He would have had several more assists but players were missing their shots (Granger) or dropping the ball (Mahinmi). He didn’t have overly impressive stats but I can tell you from seeing him in person he knows how to be a point guard and not suck on defense.
    • Solomon Hill is shorter than I thought. Standing next to Granger he was easily a good 2-3” shorter. He has a good nose for defense and isn’t afraid to mix it up on the boards. Hard to judge in one appearance but from some of his rebound attempts I’d say he can’t jump very high. I don’t know what his vertical was but tonight if he had it, it wasn’t on display. We won’t mention the shot I’m sure he’d rather not talk about.
    • The way West started out the game I thought he was going to be going for the DPOY this year. Straight up blocked Rose on a drive to the basket and easily had his hands in there disrupting the ball all night long. His shot was on, in other words he picked up where he left off.
    • Roy had an uneven night.
    • I wanted the Pacers to let Lance guard Rose for a play or two just to see how it would work. I think he can do it for spurts and his lack of respect for anyone would drive Rose up the wall. Perfect from the line, good shot selection and he made a real effort on the boards. I think he is going to have to look for his own shot a little more but overall a good game.
    • Scola had a rough debut but there certainly were signs of what he can be and what our bench can be if he could just get his shot to drop.
    • Ian was Ian. I really liked him at the beginning of last season but his inability to hold onto perfectly passed balls really makes me like him a lot less.
    • I’ve saved the worst for last. We were trying to win that game. What I mean by that was that Frank treated that far more like a regular season game than a pre-season game. Just look at our rotations and the amount of min. our starters played. I’m not sure the Bulls did. Their bench players and even a couple of what I assume will be deep bench players all throughout the game while we didn’t until the very end. In other words our starters and regular rotation players could not overcome the Bulls team minus Noah & a limited Rose. Again, go to the very fist paragraph I wrote so I already know what people are going to say, I’m going to say it as well but to me it was worth noting this.
    • I hate Bulls fans


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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  • #2
    Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

    Very nice summary I couldn't and wouldn't have said it better myself.
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    • #3
      Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

      Yeah, Danny looked pretty bad last night. I know, I know, I know he always starts slow......... whatever, I was hoping to see a better game from him. All the talking about it aside, he needs to develop some chemistry with this group, seems to me it is lacking at this point.

      I wasn't overly impressed by anything I saw in the game last night.... meh.

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      • #4
        Wish Cope would have gotten more minutes.

        Also, we missed SO MANY shots right at the basket you almost had to laugh. Not a big deal
        Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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        • #5
          Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

          Weird how Solo played so much more than Cope.

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          • #6
            Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

            I didn't see any of the game, but it is really unsettling that you say there may have been more Bulls fans than Pacers fans. I just think we're going to be dealing with big name team bandwagon fans coming in and making it a home game much like they did last year. The Indy fans won't care til about the second round of the Playoffs if we make it that far.

            Just annoys me. Just like how I'm going to see a lot of Seahawk fans later today when I'm in Indy.

            I'm not worried about the team, though. Just ranting.

            Just wish our casual fans were better.
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            • #7
              Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

              Sheesh! These "observations" (e.g., Bulls fans ) are not odd thoughts at all!


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              • #8
                Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                I’ve saved the worst for last. We were trying to win that game. What I mean by that was that Frank treated that far more like a regular season game than a pre-season game. Just look at our rotations and the amount of min. our starters played.
                You think so? The game got away from us during a stretch in the early 4th quarter where he played the bench as a unit for an extended amount of time. There's no reason whatsoever to rest 5 starters at once with this squad... we should have 3 or 4 of our top 7 players in at all times.

                If we're trying to win games, I don't ever want to see Ian/Scola/Danny/Solomon/CJ as a unit. I like each one of those guys, but let's mix in some starters to play with Danny and Scola.
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                • #9
                  Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

                  Why do you think the rebounding was so bad? We were at or near the top of the league last year.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

                    The national media and most of the basketball world is probably discounting the Pacers after this game. I would say we have something to prove at this point. That's not a bad situation to be in. I thought we had passed the Bulls, but that may not be the case at all.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

                      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                      The national media and most of the basketball world is probably discounting the Pacers after this game. I would say we have something to prove at this point. That's not a bad situation to be in. I thought we had passed the Bulls, but that may not be the case at all.
                      I agree.

                      Let's not forget that this Bulls team had a better record than Miami in both 2011 and 2012. They are really really good. If Rose can stay explosive like he was last night, then this team is obviously going to be tough to beat for the Central Division crown.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

                        I might be alone but I don't really take much away from this game at all. First pre season game of the year after what sounded like a long brutal training camp, and before along brutal flight to Asia. More than anything guys missed shots (esp Roy down low, Paul before the 3rd, and Danny from everywhere--all night) the lack of effort rebounding makes me queasy but again pre season game number one.

                        If the national media writes us off because of that game, we weren't highly thought of in the first place lol.

                        I look forward to how we look in our next game. But until game 1 of 82; I don't know if we should get too excited or too disappointed about anything we see from a team who's looking to make a deep playoff run.

                        Edit: I will agree on we have something to prove to our central division nemesis bulls later down the line. They were much more physical, active and aggressive and we definitely need to step that up as that's normally our style


                        Ps--this post is coming from a guy who was PISSED watching last nights effort live. As my gf says, true fans live and die by each game. Lol
                        Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 10-06-2013, 09:38 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

                          I completely agree with what you said about Danny. I specifically watched him most of the game, and was pretty disappointed with his effort. He wasn't following his shots, slow to close out on shooters, wasn't getting a hand up in shooters faces, wasn't crashing the boards, and missed several little bunnies at the rim...He was also very slow getting down the court in transition...At one point in the second quarter, due to foul trouble on George, Danny was running with the starters and was outworked and out hustled by ALL of them...It almost looked like he was somewhat lethargic. It almost seemed like he just wasn't into the game....Hell, at the end of the game Dunleavy was guarding him, and vice versa, and from what I saw it looked like Dunleavy got the better of him...

                          I realize that Danny is typically slow to start the season, and that he is still "testing" out his knee, but it just seemed like his drive and passion wasn't there last night....I want to see The Captain that's jawing with Lebron and stealing Novak's "discount double check" instead of just jogging back and forth...
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                          • #14
                            Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

                            One thing to keep in mind, and I may be wrong -- Pacers are more of a playoff team than a regular season team. I think they may have a "disappointing" season by SOME fans' standards. Maybe "only" 3rd-5th in the East. But I would fully expect them to be the toughest, deepest team in the playoffs, then, provided they make it in healthy.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Observations from the first pre-season game vs. the Bulls for 13/14 season.

                              Originally posted by Ace E.Anderson View Post
                              I might be alone but I don't really take much away from this game at all.
                              And rightfully so.

                              I've never really paid attention to NBA preseason games but I know the NFL, many teams have gone 4-0 in preseason only to be horrible during the regular season and teams have gone 0-4 only to be amazing the rest of the season.

                              I question anyone who takes anything away from preseason let alone the first preseason game. Even the regular season is irrelevant to the playoffs. The 67-15 Mavs and 42-40 Warriors know what I'm talking about.
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