Haven't watched the game, can't comment much on how our guys performed. But to me I think they tried to be a little experimental given the minute spread-out and the different lineup combinations they played throughout the game. I guess it's better that they remove the bad out of their system here in the preseason while it's not counted as a loss.
Well, at least Danny played out without minding much of his knees while playing a good amount of minutes. I don't really mind much if we win or lose in the pre-season for as long as we'll get our guys in game shape on October 29 onwards. As I mentioned in the win-loss prediction thread for the pre-season games, I see them lose about half of the games and not take these too hard.
I was at the game so I'll give a little.
Well I sat behind the backboard and I have to say there was a lot of
bulls fans there ha. Towards the 3rd quarter a few Pacer fans were arguing with Bulls fans about whos better. I was like "whaaat? its preseason chill" they got into a heated arguement for a good 10 minutes that it even lead to a Colts and Bears arguement haha.
Anyways I'll discuss some players:
Granger: You could defiantly tell he hasn't played in forever. He missed so many easy layups and airballed half of his shots ha. I didn't think anything about it against for a good laugh. Do you expect him to
come out with 25 and 6? Not gonna happen. Give him time.
George: I don't know how he fouled so much. I swear Rose was getting crappy calls towards him which causes George to get in foul trouble. He is going to br awesome this year. In the 3rd quarter when he went on his little scoring spurt was an awesome sight. I sat there thinking "Man this guy was so quiet his first two seasons." Now you can tell he wants to win.
Hibbert: Yea he missed a lot of bunnies around the rim but he had a lot of hustle. One of his fouls when he went straight up with Rose was BS though. I feel like Hibbert tried to play out of his game yesterday. He seemed to try jumpshots and a lot of spin post moves. Usually you see him just back his man down.
West: You can see he lost so weight. He had his jumper on lock but I didn't really notice at all throughout the game. He played a small spurt of great defense. Besides that I didnt notice him.
Stephenson: He seemed to attack the basketball but I don't think i saw him attempt many jumpshots really.
Scola: He missed a lot bunnies and didn't seemed to know how to play defense.
Copeland: He didn't reall do anything but jack shots up. He looked like a 2K game where they wing ball to the shooter and he misses and they swing the ball to him again and he misses and so on haha.
G. Hill: He did alright. He looked like a PG more than he usually has. Seemed like he was looking to open other people up. he did't really do anything else.
S.Hill: He is going to do alright in this league. The way he played yestersay reminded me of a younger Tony Allen. That layup had me laughing like crazy though.
Mahinmi: I could see us trying to trade him by the deadline. He just can't keep ahold of the ball and a liability on offense
Its just Preseason though.
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I don't think the Pacers were really trying to win this game. If they were, Frank would've played the starters more. This game reminded me how much preseason basketball stinks. Poor shooting, turnovers, and weird rotations are a staple always seem to be what we get from the Pacers every year. IMO, the coaching staff was more interested in evaluating the bench and new players than they were in winning the game.
Danny doesn't look like he can jump over a phone book right now as evidenced by those missed layups. He had a lot of trouble with his transition defense. Overall he just looked rusty.
I just looked at draft express out of curiosity, Danny is in fact 1.5 inches taller than Solomon Hill. Danny's arms are stupid long too, so I'm sure that makes it appear like he's much taller than he is..
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I was watching Lance during warmups, and his stroke is so much smoother. Didn't get to see it much during the game, but you can tell he has been putting in work on his shooting.
You all shouldn't put too much thought into the effort or outcome of this game. I'm sure most of our guys had alot on their minds, having to leave for the Philippines about an hour after the game. Plus its the first game of the preseason, you main goal is just don't get injured, so thats why you didn't see our guys chasing down rebounds.
These next 2 against Houston won't matter much either. I don't think you see the team really dialed in until 4th pre-season game against Dallas.
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The rebounding was bad today due to those following reasons, imo:
1) Lack of chemistry in our second unit due to this being their first game together. This lack of chemistry led to defensive miscommunications that led to guys being in the wrong spot and thus losing the rebounds.
2) We got outhustled by Chicago. Simply put, they wanted this win more. We did hustle at points but we didn't match their intensity throughout the game.
It's important to note that Cope was the only player in that unit that had experience in bringing a team back in a pro game.
The first play that was drawn out when he got in was a side pick and pop with Cope as the receiver that got him an open 3 (that he missed) and in the next offensive possessions our players were setting screens for Cope to get open. That seemed like a clear instruction to me.
The only reason that Frank played the starters late in the 4th was because he didn't play them at the start of the 4th like Thibs did with his own starters.
Also, let's add up the minutes that both teams starters played (and let's add Nazr as a starter even though he isn't really a starter and played less than Taj):
Bulls: 25 + 25 + 21 + 20 + 30 = 121 minutes
Pacers: 27 + 27 + 28 + 25 + 18 = 125 minutes
The difference in minutes played is really minimal. I don't think that either coach instructed their team that they have to win this game. Chicago's players seemed to want it a bit more individually but that's it.
Regarding that Hibbert's foul on Rose that everyone was chippy about it. I want you to clear it up for me. From what I saw, Hibbert was vertical but he also dropped his hands down trying to block Rose. Now, did he get the ball or Rose's hands? Couldn't see that well cause the image was a bit grainy.
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All I could take from this game is that Lance only knows how to play one speed which is kind of awesome, but also terrifies me that he's going to hurt himself in a meaningless game. I thought perhaps Vogel was trying to win the game, but I honestly am not sure the starters cared. There were a lot of times we lost rebounds simply because we didn't chase hard engouh. I thought the starters played one stretch where they were trying to win, from the start of the 3rd quarter til Paul picked up his 5th foul, whcih was about a 7 minute stretch and in that stretch we blitzed the hell out of the Bulls. We outscored them 21-8 to take a 44-41 half time deficit to a 62-52 lead. Paul during this time period was other worldly. He's added a step in, step back jumper expansion pack to his patented 3 point curl that he hit 3 times, that move is pretty much unguardable for someone of his height. Basically for those who couldn't or didn't watch, Paul runs his baseline curl to the elbow of the 3 that we've seen him run hundreds of times, he receive the ball from Lance or Hill and if he's open he pops the 3, but now if the man guarding him is able to fight through, he's added a move where he takes the guy inside the 3 point line, does a little hesitation move and then nails a step back mid range J, it is a move that no NBA Pacer has ever had.
Also during that stretch, I think we had at least 2 steals and pretty much dominated the boards.
West is so much better than Boozer it is comical.
Last edited by Trader Joe; 10-07-2013 at 09:47 AM.
Boozer is a horrible defender and a below average rebounder. The only way he rebounds is when he pushes people in the back.
West is a better screener.
West is a better rebounder
West is a better pick and pop
West is a better passer
Boozer is slightly better in the post against good defenders. The problem is he isn't any better in the post against poor defenders, while West abuses them.
West elevates his game, Boozer coasts too often.
And eventhough David shaves his head, he still has better "hair."
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What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?
Larry Bird: Yeah, patience.
West is the better rebounder but how come Boozer averages more rebounds? West rebounded over double digits 14 times last year compared to Boozer's 46 times, Boozer grabbed 771 rebounds compared to West 563(208 more rebounds than West)
And sure West is better at pick and pop but "at everything else" as you guys are suggesting West is not that much better than Boozer, if anything Boozer was the better player last year, he had a bigger chance to be an all star before West(many reports confirm this).
And to those that like to overreact note that this conversation is not with you.