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George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

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  • #46
    Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    Paul is a turnover waiting to happen and I disagree on Granger. Granger has a poor assist to turnover ratio. Yes, George Hill is ok and protects the ball. But protecting the ball isn't helping guys get better looks. George is just ok in the assist department and "ok" isn't going to cut it.
    Hill is 7th in the league in Assist/TO ratio. So. Better than nearly everyone else.

    Again. Granger doesn't turn the ball over ever. He plays off the ball. You don't need to be a good passer if you're playing off the ball. Are you suggesting the only way the offense can work if ball dominant wings play and they all have high assist ratios? Or maybe it has one ball dominant guy with everyone else playing OFF the ball?



    I guess it could be a myth, but they are normally bigger players and many have a power/post up game. Like Melo. He is going to be in the paint a lot. But sure, they play a lot on the perimeter too. I just don't think they use quickness to the same extent as they do their length or power game. That means that Paul could far more easily cheat off his man. JMHO.
    Soooo When PG defends 'Melo he's playing "safety"??


    No it doesn't. Paul will normally guard the bigger player and Lance the smaller with some rare exceptions. That will normally be the SF. Notice that Lance guarded DWade and JR. Smith in the playoffs...and Paul guarded LeBron and Melo. Against Melo, I think he can play some safety. Against LeBron, no, I don't think anyone can play safety. But normally it will hold true. If Lance is on the floor, he will guard the smaller guy normally the PG. With Granger on the floor, Paul will almost certainly be guarding the quicker player...more often the SG, especially after Granger's knee injury. Granger can use his strength against Melo and LeBron but he'd have no chance against Wade and JR Smith. Making sense yet?
    Ok. I saw the trend of PG defending the best wing player, not the biggest. I even gave examples of the 2 guards PG had to defend while Lance was on the court.

    Can you give me an example of when Lance defended the better player and PG defended the bigger player???

    Also, Granger defended Wade a lot last time Granger and PG were on the court together against the champs...

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    • #47
      Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

      The fact is, Mark Boyle had it right. Paul and Lance are the two most talented players on this team. They both should be starting and in a year they will be starting without this fanfare.

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      • #48
        Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
        The fact is, Mark Boyle had it right. Paul and Lance are the two most talented players on this team. They both should be starting and in a year they will be starting without this fanfare.
        So you're admitting everything you said earlier is WRONG, and now you're changing your argument to suggest Paul and Lance are simply the most talented??

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        • #49
          Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

          Also, from what I gather, Lance is better than David West, Roy Hibbert, and George Hill? amirite?

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          • #50
            Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

            Cognitive dissonance will never allow BnG to believe anything else other than "Lance should start."

            I think I've showed this with the last few comments...

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            • #51
              Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

              Originally posted by mattie View Post
              So you're admitting everything you said earlier is WRONG, and now you're changing your argument to suggest Paul and Lance are simply the most talented??
              Nope.

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              • #52
                Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                I like Lance in the starting unit because his defense and rebounding at this point(2013 not 2006) is better than Danny, I want the starting unit to be strong and only have one defensive weakness instead of two(David West).

                I also believe that Paul George is our super star and I don't want him to spend time chasing around Danny's guy because Danny can't guard him, Lance makes Paul George's job easier on that side of the court in my opinion.
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                • #53
                  Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                  Originally posted by mattie View Post
                  Also, from what I gather, Lance is better than David West, Roy Hibbert, and George Hill? amirite?
                  He's not a finished product. Also, his comment was clearly directed at Granger...as was my own. But to that point, given time Lance will be better than George Hill.

                  Edit: Notice I didn't say Lance is better than Granger. He just has more potential and with Danny at half-mast he's better than Danny. Defense is half the game and play making is another chunk of it. Also, Lance is more talented than George Hill....not necessarily as developed yet...but his ceiling is certainly higher.
                  Last edited by BlueNGold; 10-20-2013, 05:58 PM.

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                  • #54
                    Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                    Originally posted by mattie View Post
                    Can you give me an example of when Lance defended the better player and PG defended the bigger player???

                    Also, Granger defended Wade a lot last time Granger and PG were on the court together against the champs...
                    Normally the better player in the east is the bigger one. Look at who we faced in the east and tell me who Lance guarded: LeBron > DWade. Melo > JR Smith. Josh Smith > Devin Harris/Kyle Korver/Whatever

                    Also, Granger has never defended Wade. I would be doing a disservice to the term "defended" by agreeing with that statement.

                    Edit: While I agree that we should use Paul on DRose, we have not done that much. I do agree Paul ultimately guards the best player depending on matchups we may face. But the reality stands is that most contenders we face will require that Paul guard the bigger player.
                    Last edited by BlueNGold; 10-20-2013, 06:10 PM.

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                    • #55
                      Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                      Originally posted by mattie View Post
                      Cognitive dissonance will never allow BnG to believe anything else other than "Lance should start."

                      I think I've showed this with the last few comments...
                      I think you've shown this:

                      Originally posted by mattie View Post
                      I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!
                      "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                      • #56
                        Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        I like Lance in the starting unit because his defense and rebounding at this point(2013 not 2006) is better than Danny, I want the starting unit to be strong and only have one defensive weakness instead of two(David West).

                        I also believe that Paul George is our super star and I don't want him to spend time chasing around Danny's guy because Danny can't guard him, Lance makes Paul George's job easier on that side of the court in my opinion.
                        Danny and Lance are close as both defenders are rebounders but as of now and as of their last full regular seasons Dannys is both the better defender and rebounder. Rebounding numbers are simply cut and dry and you need to look at a full season not a small sampling. As far as defense each player has a strength the other doesn't. Lance is a good defender but he's not great. Lance is better at guarding smaller quicker players, Danny is far better at guarding bigger wings such as Lebron or Melo. Overall I think the combo of PG/Granger is a better defensive combination then the combo of PG/Lance especially against the teams where elite wing defense is needed such as the heat or I think the Nets will be this year.
                        Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                        • #57
                          Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                          Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                          Danny and Lance are close as both defenders are rebounders but as of now and as of their last full regular seasons Dannys is both the better defender and rebounder. Rebounding numbers are simply cut and dry and you need to look at a full season not a small sampling. As far as defense each player has a strength the other doesn't. Lance is a good defender but he's not great. Lance is better at guarding smaller quicker players, Danny is far better at guarding bigger wings such as Lebron or Melo. Overall I think the combo of PG/Granger is a better defensive combination then the combo of PG/Lance especially against the teams where elite wing defense is needed such as the heat or I think the Nets will be this year.

                          Last time he got to defend Lebron he got destroyed, he was not that good at defending Melo few years ago either so I don't know where this "far better defender" thing is coming from.

                          And there is not doubt that Lance in the starting unit made the Pacers a far better defensive team the Pacers were ranked best defensive team in the NBA last year for a reason.
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                          • #58
                            Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            Last time he got to defend Lebron he got destroyed, he was not that good at defending Melo few years ago either so I don't know where this "far better defender" thing is coming from.

                            And there is not doubt that Lance in the starting unit made the Pacers a far better defensive team the Pacers were ranked best defensive team in the NBA last year for a reason.
                            Several reasons but not because Lance replaced Danny in the starting unit.
                            In order I'd say the improvement of PG, Hibbert, and West returning to form. Add Granger to that team this year and we'll be better yet.
                            Add Lance and Scola to the bench and we should be able to ranked where we are today.
                            Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                            • #59
                              Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                              Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
                              Several reasons but not because Lance replaced Danny in the starting unit.
                              In order I'd say the improvement of PG, Hibbert, and West returning to form. Add Granger to that team this year and we'll be better yet.
                              Add Lance and Scola to the bench and we should be able to ranked where we are today.
                              So is everything else but Lance replacing Danny got it .........
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                              • #60
                                Re: George on Granger: "He Looks like he's 98% ready"

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                So is everything else but Lance replacing Danny got it .........
                                There were a couple differences. Hill started instead of Collison. West was healthy. But the other change was Lance and yes I think that helped us a lot. Collison going away was the biggest positive for our defense followed by Lance making a huge improvement.

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