I like Lance in the starting unit because his defense and rebounding at this point(2013 not 2006) is better than Danny, I want the starting unit to be strong and only have one defensive weakness instead of two(David West).
I also believe that Paul George is our super star and I don't want him to spend time chasing around Danny's guy because Danny can't guard him, Lance makes Paul George's job easier on that side of the court in my opinion.
Edit: Notice I didn't say Lance is better than Granger. He just has more potential and with Danny at half-mast he's better than Danny. Defense is half the game and play making is another chunk of it. Also, Lance is more talented than George Hill....not necessarily as developed yet...but his ceiling is certainly higher.
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Also, Granger has never defended Wade. I would be doing a disservice to the term "defended" by agreeing with that statement.
Edit: While I agree that we should use Paul on DRose, we have not done that much. I do agree Paul ultimately guards the best player depending on matchups we may face. But the reality stands is that most contenders we face will require that Paul guard the bigger player.
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Last time he got to defend Lebron he got destroyed, he was not that good at defending Melo few years ago either so I don't know where this "far better defender" thing is coming from.
And there is not doubt that Lance in the starting unit made the Pacers a far better defensive team the Pacers were ranked best defensive team in the NBA last year for a reason.
In order I'd say the improvement of PG, Hibbert, and West returning to form. Add Granger to that team this year and we'll be better yet.
Add Lance and Scola to the bench and we should be able to ranked where we are today.
So glad to hear this.
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Even if you are right, and replacing Lance with Danny will slightly decrease the defense and rebounding. The shooting is still more important. You need shooters. The whole team doesn't have to be shooters, but shooters are needed.
But no matter who starts, Paul is guarding the other teams best player.
If this is true, and Lance is truly a future big star for this team, then why wouldn't the Pacers and the coaching staff simply appease Lance and just give him the starting role? Once it was clear George was better than DC--boom he was the starter and we never looked back. Once it was clear Paul should be the starter over B.Rush--same thing.
If it's such a clear cut choice as the aforementioned instances, and Lance is a future star of this franchise, why is there even a debate with the coaching staff and FO?
And this post is NOT to belittle Lance, as I value his unique skills and intangibles he brings to the team whether he starts or comes off the bench. His energy, ball handling, and open court ability are unmatched on this team. But I do feel its a tad disrespectful to established vets like Danny, Hill, West, and Roy when people say Lance is the "second most talented player on our roster." Talent shows up on the court, and Lance has yet to produce anything close to the type of consistent production that our vets have shown throughout their respective careers.
It's funny this debate is so heated and divided. It seems those in "Lance's camp" believe one thing, those in "Granger's camp" believe another-- while 80% of the board really doesn't care who starts or who's the 6th man.
In all my time posting, and reading this website, I've NEVER seen such a passionate and constant debate over something like this. It's been very interesting and it'll be more interesting to see who's opinions end up being closer to the eventual outcome. My bet--it's a mixture of both opinions in some crazy microcosm.
What was first stated was that Paul would guard the other teams best wing, not best player.
Here's a topic, what teams best player wouldn't he guard.
Houston's Howard is questionable? I think Harden might be the best player on Houston.
Laker's Gasol until Kobe gets back.
Minnesota's Kevin Love
Basically all I'm coming up with are guys who play the 4&5 and could overpower Paul. Lets see them guard him on the other end though.
So by looking at every "contender" in the east it looks like Danny could be a huge defensive liability if he is in the starting unit while PG is guarding the other team best player(not Minnesota, Memphis or the Lakers as Will Galen is trying to tell us).
And I'm sorry to disagree but shooting is not the most important I thought we already figured that out with the clown of JOB.
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Larry Bird: Yeah, patience.
That's why I want to start a new thread focusing solely on the "Danny vs Lance for starter" issue so all the other threads can return to their previous subject.
Maybe we need an 'Official Danny or Lance should start' thread, and if another thread gets derailed talking about it, perhaps an admin can move that string of responses over to the official thread? Just a thought.